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Posted 7/21/2017 3:05 PM (GMT 0)
Hey everyone,
I did the SCD for a year and a half with good results. I became more lenient over the past 6 months and I'm back in a flare.
Just getting back onto the diet again this week and yesterday had a big bowl of SCD yogurt for the first time in a while. Within an hour I was super sick - uncontrollable D, shakes, chills, aches, etc. which lasted almost all day.
Obviously my body isn't used to this high amount of probiotics - in hindsight I realize I should have probably eased into it! But my question is, am I causing damage by eating this yogurt while i'm in a flare? Or could this be what is described as "die off" symptoms? I guess part of me wants to put a positive spin on my reaction to the yogurt, like perhaps that was just my body clearing out the toxins... Or maybe I just poisoned myself with something my body just cannot handle right now.


confused
Posted 7/21/2017 4:40 PM (GMT 0)
Doubtful regarding damage. What exactly were your increasing symptoms of your flare?

q
Posted 7/21/2017 5:22 PM (GMT 0)
Well when I was in remission I was having 1/2 solid bms a day, sometimes would get a bit of mucous but that's it. With this flare I'm going to the bathroom 4/5 times a day - mostly D with a lot of blood, a ton of mucous, and a lot of crampy pain anytime I go to the bathroom or pass gas. When I ate the yogurt yesterday I think I went to the bathroom 20 times, I was just doubled over in pain for the entire day.
Posted 7/21/2017 5:29 PM (GMT 0)
Ditto unlikely to cause damage. Consider a stool test to check for pathogenic causes, like c diff, which mirror your UC flare symptoms.
Posted 7/21/2017 6:04 PM (GMT 0)
about 2 years back I had the very same experience. I may have even made a post about it similar to yours. I was away from SCD yogurt for a long time and on a whim one day I decided to make some. Like you I had a big bowl with a small amount of fruit and about 24hours later whamo... Was a crazy reaction. Scared me enough that I didn't go near it for a long time. I threw away the batch I made. Over the years through trial and error I've learned that my body, for whatever reason does not really like probiotics.

I am in remission now, and about 6 months ago I tried a small container of organic store bought yogurt which worked well. From time to time I do eat this, but not on a regular basis.

I figure the reaction from the yogurt was either a bacterial/my system overload type thing, or maybe another type of bacteria contaminated the batch somehow. Either way it was intense and much like you describe it. Another 24 hours passed and my system sort of re-set back to where I was pre-crazy SCD yogurt reaction.
Posted 7/21/2017 6:16 PM (GMT 0)
When did your diarrhea start, and did you go through a phase of constipation?

With diarrhea, definitely get stool testing done.

When was yiur last c-scope?

q
Posted 7/21/2017 6:20 PM (GMT 0)
I dont handle probiotics well at all,especially fresh ones.
When I did the lacto fermented pickles it was a disaster, just a 1/4 of a 1/4 piece.

My reasoning is bacteria overload.
Many lactic acid bacteria create a lot of hydrogen peroxide.

Old Mike
Posted 7/21/2017 11:12 PM (GMT 0)
OM, how do you know if a bacteria (I assume you mean a "good" bacteria in a probiotic?) is a lactic acid one? Also, I'm not understanding all the science that well, but if I'm reading it right (and sorry but I can't recall what report or where it was), it said that being on probiotics and then stopping them could induce colitis or be really bad for it? Is that true? Thanks!
Posted 7/21/2017 11:51 PM (GMT 0)
Here is a short list of probiotics. There are more.

as to your second question not sure about that.

Probiotics can induce ROS, it might depend on your inflammatory state whether this is bad or good.
In my case a disaster.
I can take dds1 a human strain in small amounts and that is ok.
Fresh lacto pickles are a diaster. Never did well on homemade yogurt.Did not do well
on vsl3. Have tried others also, no good for me, but helps many others.
Though rare some have gotten blood infections from probiotics, they will be glad
to invade you systemically, if they get out of control of the gut immune system.


OM

www.livestrong.com/article/27960-list-probiotic-bacteria/
Posted 7/22/2017 9:44 PM (GMT 0)
What an interesting link Mike! I've just added it to my favorites smile
Posted 7/23/2017 3:34 PM (GMT 0)
And for others bifidobacteria can induce remission.....such a strange disease this is.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26418574
Posted 7/23/2017 3:42 PM (GMT 0)
SCD yogurt generally does not have Bifido.
Posted 7/23/2017 4:00 PM (GMT 0)
Ahh, good to know. I am making my own yogurts and kefir, but not SCD, and I am intentionally courting the Bifido strains.

So, in the OP's case, it wasn't the BB then.....
Posted 7/23/2017 8:29 PM (GMT 0)
For sure SCD yoghurt does not have bifido, Elaine G thought it could overgrow in the UC colon and cause problems.

It could also be that some bad bacteria was in there and got grown along with the good ones.

Also, don't know if you have been on dairy recently, in which case this is not relevant but also there's that recent research that c diff loves to feed off calcium so if some c diff was active a big shot of calcium can maybe rev it up.
Posted 7/23/2017 9:52 PM (GMT 0)
interesting, i didn't know about the cdiff and calcium connection
Posted 8/18/2017 12:34 AM (GMT 0)
I just wanted to chime in and say that the SCD yogurt made me suuuper sick as well. I recently started flaring and don't have any maintenance drugs so I decided to break down and go on pred and then try the whole SCD thing... As I upped my yogurt intake (all 24 hour made with a variety of cow, goat, VSL, yogamet, and store bought yogurt starter) I just wasn't getting better and had to have my pred upped... at which point I really got into the swing of making and eating yogurt for about 4/5 days until the amount of blood in my poo, which had decreased, increased again and I was so sick I literally just camped out on the toilet and didn't do anything other than poop and cramp all day. It was the only major dietary change that I had made and I typically avoid dairy so I decided to stop all yogurt yesterday and aside from one dry-heave inducing poop this morning I feel a thousand times better and only have about a quarter of the blood in my stool that I had yesterday.

Also interesting to know about the c. diff and calcium correlation, I'm still struggling with getting in to see a doctor and do stool studies but wouldn't be totally surprised if I had more than one issue eyes

Also fwiw I'm on VSL DS and have never had a bad reaction to it.
Posted 8/18/2017 5:48 PM (GMT 0)
This might be stupid but perhaps this is just a reaction to a significant increase in gas in the intestines? The yogurt definitely causes gas for me.
Posted 8/18/2017 8:42 PM (GMT 0)
I am also starting back into gaps recently (lets just say same as SCD diet). Since I was away from it for a long time, when I've made yogurt....I start it with very small amounts. First time my body didn't seem to like. Waited a few weeks. Have a fresh batch now....body seems ok with small amounts (2-4 Tbsp) but am not even eating it daily. My understanding of introducing these foods is take it very slowly, do it the intro. way.
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