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Posted 10/27/2017 3:16 PM (GMT 0)
Hi guys, I just joined the forum. I’m 23 and I’ve been on treatment for over a year. In 2013, before I was diagnosed, I replaced milk with oatmeal in my everyday breakfast because milk made my stomach a bit upset (I didn’t know I had UC back then). Now I seem to get discomfort after eating oatmeal and I don’t seem to go into remission. Could it be the oatmeal? If it were, what would you guys suggest to eat instead of it. Thank you.
Posted 10/27/2017 3:25 PM (GMT 0)
Could be the fiber in the oatmeal. Some of us have trouble processing insoluble fiber. Oatmeal has both types of fiber (soluble/insoluble) I think. Try some other low fiber breakfast food for a couple weeks and see if discomfort eases up. My breakfast is light/simple: slice gluten-free bread (Udi's), swiss cheese and small bit of ham or bacon.

Milk is a problem for some UC'ers. I had big problems with it for years but now in remission milk causes few problems. So in my case my food issues are not "forever", a healed gut lets me eat more things than previously.

Did you know there is such a thing as "oatmeal milk". I've never tried it. Also many milk subs like almond milk, etc but read the ingredients carefully, they can be problems too.
Posted 10/27/2017 3:46 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks for your reply. I’ll try going for a low-fiber breakfast. I’ll also look up for other types of milks. I’m one of the people that was told by my doctor that diet doesn’t matter with UC so he never gave me advice.
Posted 10/27/2017 5:07 PM (GMT 0)
bacon and eggs work well for me - and goat milk gives me no problems -

what kind of meds are you on ?

do you eat other grains ?
Posted 10/27/2017 7:11 PM (GMT 0)
Ordinarily oatmeal is gluten-free but if it is processed in the same facility as wheat or barley then it may contain some contaminated gluten. Also unless you are eating ORGANIC oatmeal then most likely the oats were sprayed with Roundup (glyphosate) prior to being harvested.

Bob's Redmill organic oatmeal is certified gluten-free and doesn't give me any problems.
Posted 10/28/2017 6:02 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks everyone. I’ll keep all of your recommendations in mind. I’ll try drinking other types of milks.

I’m not really sure which are exactly grains and which are not but I eat white rice frequently, white bread and corn ocassionally. Are any of these bad?

Atm I’m on Salofalk granules 4.5g/day and Salofalk suppositories 500mg every night. I took predninose for a few months and I was doing good.
Posted 10/28/2017 6:50 AM (GMT 0)

Connor77 said...
"Gluten free" status is complicated. All of the cereal grains have gluten-like proteins called prolamins which the immune system can react to, even if it's not the gluten from wheat. They are all biochemically very similar to gluten and gliadin. For this reason, a lot of people who are gluten intolerant also can't eat oatmeal, even if it's "gluten free". The prolamin in oatmeal that's related to gluten is called avenin.

The current understanding that's unfolding is that anyone who has an immunological response to gluten should avoid all cereal grains, otherwise they may still be doing silent damage to their bowels.

Whose understanding is that?
Posted 10/28/2017 11:24 AM (GMT 0)
I eat white rice frequently, white bread and corn occasionally. Are any of these bad?

There are no 'good' or 'bad' foods that apply to everyone. It seems that food has no effect at all for at least half of the members here in HW. And there is a wide variance for those of us who do have a problem with food.

For example, some of us can eat corn and oatmeal, others can't. Gluten and dairy are the most common problems but I myself don't seem to have a problem with dairy. But if you have a problem with gluten then you need to cut back on the bread. The only way to determine that is to keep a food diary,

You can watch our signatures for some ideas that may or may not apply to you. For example a lot of people have finally determined that the carrageenan in alternative milks can be a problem.
Posted 10/28/2017 3:09 PM (GMT 0)
I’ll cut down the gluten then because I’m already in a no dairy diet. I wouldn’t say I have many problems but the bleeding isn’t going away 100% and I have mild abdominal discomfort in the morning, that’s why I was asking about the oatmeal.

Thanks for your insight.
Posted 10/28/2017 5:55 PM (GMT 0)
Your rectal meds should be increased....retention enemas at 4g.

I get tons of gas from oatmeal....

What are your symptoms exactly?

q
Posted 10/28/2017 7:18 PM (GMT 0)
I’ll comment that to my doctor to increase my rectal meds. I used to bleed when going to the bathroom when I wasn’t taking anything. Now I check the stool or the toilet paper and sometimes it looks okay but a few times it has a small bits with some reddish color. Besides that, I get bloated and gas ocassionally but those werent happening for a few months until recently.
Posted 10/28/2017 8:53 PM (GMT 0)
You made the claim, but you want me to find the supporting evidence?

Let's start by having you find studies for us that show people with "gluten intolerance" who have increased bowel scarring or flattened villi from said "gluten intolerance."
Posted 10/29/2017 12:07 PM (GMT 0)

beave said...
You made the claim, but you want me to find the supporting evidence?"



ummm, ya, if you think by chance this might be of some benefit to your UC, why wouldn't you want to do the research and not wait for someone else to do it for you ?
Posted 10/29/2017 5:00 PM (GMT 0)
What bowel are we talking about here?
q
Posted 10/29/2017 5:03 PM (GMT 0)
Josh.....yiu are undertreated and I suspect not understanding the inflammation with UC, healing, symptoms, etc.
Get on rectal meds....retention enemas of 4g, and ask for them.

q
Posted 10/29/2017 8:25 PM (GMT 0)

TroubledTurds said...

beave said...
You made the claim, but you want me to find the supporting evidence?"



ummm, ya, if you think by chance this might be of some benefit to your UC, why wouldn't you want to do the research and not wait for someone else to do it for you ?

Why would this benefit UC?
Posted 10/29/2017 9:01 PM (GMT 0)
That's a defensive way of saying, "no, I can't produce links/evidence to back up what I claimed."

Got it.
Posted 10/29/2017 9:14 PM (GMT 0)
Josh

I agree totally with Quincy about being under-treated. Also eating oatmeal and getting gas and bloating were my first signs of inflammation when I was diagnosed. I haven't eaten oatmeal since. I really think its the fiber and not anything to do with gluten. Try no oatmeal and if things get better then you know that its too much fiber for you, but bloating, gas and some blood = inflammation.
I eat lots of white rice and my body loves it! I tried no grains and ate an anti inflammatory diet etc and got more diarrhea. My doctor told me that if my body likes rice (it calms my intestines) then to eat rice! Quincy recommended the enemas and they have been the best thing I have used so far. Canasa did not reach high enough.
Posted 10/30/2017 3:11 AM (GMT 0)
Connor, I don't want to further hijack the thread, just wanted to say I enjoy reading various theories and taking what I want from them, so I hope you don't refrain from posting your info. Beave, no need to get judgmental about someone posting research. Everyone is trying to be helpful and give advice that the questioner can decide what to do with.

Josh, I cut out dairy and my preference is coconut milk. Almond milk is okay, but one of the diets (forget which one -- maybe SCD?) said no nuts during the early stages, so I went with coconut and I prefer its taste. Be sure to look for the unsweetened variety. Sugar isn't always good for an angry gut, either. Keep a food diary and make note of any worsening of symptoms. My personal belief is that food doesn't cause UC symptoms, but it can aggravate an inflamed and bleeding bowel. Low residue with regards to grains, well-cooked veggies (not raw). I found eggs soothing. I really missed my oatmeal at first, but eventually you might be able to add it back in. I had a scrambled egg almost every morning. Smoothies made with kefir or yogurt (if you can find a low sugar variety) are good. I added grated fresh ginger to mine along with a banana and blueberries, a plant-based protein powder (no whey), or powdered collagen or powdered beef gelatin. Bone broth is good, too.
Posted 10/30/2017 4:32 AM (GMT 0)

FlowersGal said...
Beave, no need to get judgmental about someone posting research. Everyone is trying to be helpful and give advice that the questioner can decide what to do with.


What 'research' was posted? I didn't see any. I saw questionable claims at best, outright falsehoods at worst, so I questioned them.
Posted 10/30/2017 5:56 AM (GMT 0)
quincy, FlowersGal, countess18

Thank you for the recommendations. I'm understanding enemas work better than suppositories? Would asking for enemas replace my dose of 500mg of Salofalk suppository?

Thank you again.
Posted 10/30/2017 8:22 AM (GMT 0)
Oats were once considered to be a food to be avoided for coeliacs. Later research found that most coeliacs tolerate oats that have not been cross contaminated with any wheat products. A small percentage of true coeliacs do show T-cell response to oats.
Beave is quite correct that you are vastly overstating the position on prolamins.
(Quoting, belatedly, from an SCD lifestyle source is unworthy of an alleged 'clinical researcher'.)


The posts already given to Josh have answered his questions entirely.
Posted 10/30/2017 4:14 PM (GMT 0)

JoshDun said...
quincy, FlowersGal, countess18

Thank you for the recommendations. I'm understanding enemas work better than suppositories? Would asking for enemas replace my dose of 500mg of Salofalk suppository?

Thank you again.

Yes in the fact that they are higher dosage than the suppositoriess....1, 2, 4g.

What is the extent location of youre UC?

q
Posted 10/31/2017 12:30 AM (GMT 0)

Connor77 said...
I'm a clinical researcher and I've done thousands of hours of research, in paid databases

It's a shame you don't give out more accurate, better quality info then. (And, no, I am not just referring to this thread.)
Posted 11/1/2017 6:39 PM (GMT 0)
I often cite sources in my posts as I think it's gratefully helpful for those who want to learn more and adds credibility to claims. It's not just for critics but for anyone who wants to know more. You do make a lot of interesting statements, and at times, I too wish you'd tell us where you got it from. Not judging but deeply curious smile
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