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Spring
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Posted 3/14/2018 8:14 PM (GMT 0)
My GI has consulted with other doctors about
my mesalamines reaction (acute pancreatitis) and has me truing Rowosa enemas. They say to take after bowel movement and to try to retain them for 8 hours. They say to take them at night. I go 1 to two times in the morning when I first get up, and the in the afternoon through the night I go another 4 to 8 times on average. Would it be better to do it in the morning, or is it easier to retain while lying in bed for sleep.
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Posted 3/14/2018 11:06 PM (GMT 0)
I'd do them when you can retain them for the longest, at night.
Spring
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Posted 3/15/2018 1:44 AM (GMT 0)
Ok, thanks
notsosicklygirl
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Posted 3/15/2018 2:30 AM (GMT 0)
I've done them in the morning, but I think it's easier to do them at night since you're sleeping and you're still. Sometimes if I moved around with an enema, i would get the urge to go, so laying still is good. I've actually used some during the day without problem, but often if I wanted to use a rectal during the day, I would go for foam or a supp. If you want something extra, you may want to consider trying some other rectals, like cortifoam or uceris foam.
deedee
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Posted 3/15/2018 2:31 AM (GMT 0)
Would also advise to take them at night and to make yourself a heating pad or hot water bottle in advance because they can be quite crampy at first. The heat takes the edge off and you should be able to sleep and retain them comfortably all night!
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Posted 3/15/2018 3:56 AM (GMT 0)
If you have to have a bm....go before using fhe enema. If you don't have to have a bm, use the enema.....have your bm in the morning as usual. The urge will probably be more with the enema.
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Spring
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Posted 3/15/2018 9:02 AM (GMT 0)
My concern was that I am pretty much always up again by 4 am to go again, sometimes earlier. I think I managed to retain part of (expelled a little bit after 30 minutes just trying to move to bed) it for 4 hours between going to bed and the next one. I can see how moving during the day could mean expelling more though.
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Posted 3/15/2018 1:12 PM (GMT 0)
I've taken Rowasa mornings, noontime, and evenings. Look for the biggest window you have to retain them. It takes roughly 20-minutes to absorb the fluid and then you can continue going about
your day. Ideally try and get 7-hours of retention for the most healing, but smaller amounts of time still do produce results.
Spring
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Posted 3/15/2018 4:55 PM (GMT 0)
I guess I just need to experiment and see what works best. Thanks guys!
quincy
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Posted 3/15/2018 5:56 PM (GMT 0)
While flaring, anything longer than an hour is going to help.
If you're up at 4 to expel it, it is what it is. Doesn't mean 4 hours of medication isn't helping.
In my 29 years of using enemas, even during the worst flares, I've expelled only 4.
Eight hours is an average sleep.....but once a body is up, moving around with the weight of med in an inflamed rectum, the want of it to be expelled is a given.
If you have suppositories, use them during the day after the majority of bms. It will help as well.
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Spring
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Posted 3/19/2018 5:09 AM (GMT 0)
Gah! I have tried morning, then went back to night. I can have a bm, but doing the enema causes me to have another bm. Am I going to have to do a water enema first just to make this work?
quincy
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Posted 3/19/2018 5:35 AM (GMT 0)
Are you talking about
the urge to go just after using the enema?
Are you also using supps in the day?
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Posted 3/19/2018 4:52 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, it can be infuriating to evacuate after taking your enema, and see there was still little bits of poo in there that made it impossible to hold. Been there many times, and thought of the water enema beforehand but never did it.
Try administering only 1/2 the bottle. See if things sit right, and then administer the rest.
Spring
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Posted 3/19/2018 7:55 PM (GMT 0)
No suppositories. I am going to persist, its just frustrating! I have retained several just fine, but it seems like things are off right now all around. I had a panic attack last night, and am just about
to throw the prednisone out the window. I told my GI I want to taper down, and he told me no.....grrrr.
Spring
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Posted 3/29/2018 4:34 AM (GMT 0)
Well, I persisted with the enemas. I can say I do believe they were helping as I stopped having accidents. Yay! And my daily average dropped just a little. Except this week I developed pancreatitis from them just like I did the Balsalzide Disodium. Boo hiss......
quincy
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Posted 3/29/2018 5:16 AM (GMT 0)
Ohhhhh...not good. Have you had an MRCP done?
Ask your doc for steroid enemas, especially since you're having improvement.
How are you being treated for pancreatitis?
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countess18
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Posted 3/29/2018 2:40 PM (GMT 0)
oh my.. what were your signs of pancreatitis?
Spring- you are amazing that you are going through this while raising children. If enemas helped maybe the steroid enemas would be your best bet like Quincy said.
I'm getting a flex sig today to see if I have some lingering inflammation as I have pain but no blood or anything. This is never ending huh?
Spring
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Posted 3/30/2018 11:38 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks Countess18 and Quincy. Overall things have gotten more bearable. I saw my doctor yesterday (finally, couldn't get through to the nurse line) and I am not sure what test he ordered, but pretty sure he is checking amylase and lipase. I started having more diarrhea and pain just under my rib cage an hour or two after eating. Having been through it before made it easy to know what it is. I don't think this time there will be any treatment because I stopped the medication as soon as I noticed the symptoms so it didn't progress to be as bad as last time. If I remember correctly from last time, it will just take a couple of weeks for everything to return to normal. My GI was not surprised as he knew it was a possibility. He is also putting me on Fosamax for the osteoporosis/oste
openia, and is starting to wean me off of steroids. He also said that my current symptoms do not match the amount of inflammation he saw and that he is looking for something else. He ordered a fecal fat test and a celiac panel. He also gave me an antispasmodic for the pain.
quincy
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Posted 3/30/2018 3:11 PM (GMT 0)
Hope there is improvement. Just throwing this out there....is surgery an option for you considering the pancreatitis?
Have you had ultrasound and MRCP for visuals of pancreas?
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Spring
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Posted 3/30/2018 7:44 PM (GMT 0)
Thankfully the colonoscopy showed improvement in my colitis. He said there was some moderate, but that most of the biopsies are now mild. The pancreatitis should resolve and not come back as long as I don't do mesalamines in any form again.
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Posted 3/30/2018 8:43 PM (GMT 0)
That's excellent. I am so happy for you to finally have improvement. Let's hope it's the start of a very long remission
Are you off the pred 100%?
Spring
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Posted 3/30/2018 11:53 PM (GMT 0)
No, my GI just agreed to wean me off because of my bad dexa scan. I am weaning down from 40 mg. I have my next infusion on the 20th, and he said that he is going to check my levels soon to see if I am getting what I need.
notsosicklygirl
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Posted 3/31/2018 3:50 PM (GMT 0)
That's frustrating for him to do a scope when you've been on a high dose of prednisone for months and then say things look good. It doesn't give any idea of whether entyvio is working... Staying on prednisone long term is not an option either, so it's difficult. Hopefully things stay mild and under control. Having mild & moderate inflammation while on 40mg is not what you want to hear, but whatever happens, getting off prednisone is #1.
Spring
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Posted 3/31/2018 7:24 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah.....from what he was saying he was really hoping I would gain more weight on pred than I have. I am doing a 5 mg a week taper that he will slow down more once I get to 10. I felt for a while that it was either Prednisone or end up back in the hospital, but feel like it's been time to taper for few weeks, so I am glad he agrees.
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