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Posted 4/22/2018 9:27 PM (GMT 0)
I have two things:

(1) First a BIG THANK YOU to this forum, many people talked about the benefits of pysllium seed and how it fuels buytrate production and that helps colon cells heal. I have been taking psyllium seed for a couple weeks now and it has made a MAJOR improvement for me.

(2) What is your opinion on a Psyllium Seed Enema for those of us who have the most severe disease in the rectum? Just curious to hear what you all think?
Posted 4/22/2018 9:36 PM (GMT 0)
I don't think a Psyllium Seed enema would be as effective as it's likely preferable to expose the Psyllium Seeds to the many factors of the upper digestive tract in order to aid the bacteria of the colon in breaking down the fiber. That's just a quick thought though as I haven't researched into that idea.
Posted 4/23/2018 3:10 AM (GMT 0)
where/what brand did you buy?

I'm thinking about taking it in part for its potential healing benefits, but also because prednisone has made me constipated (probably because it has me constantly eating) and a lot of high-fiber veg and legumes have been giving me the bloats and gas, so I have cut back on them, and I need all of the fibers.

I saw that Solray sells Psyllium Seed in capsules, but I'm guessing I'd have to take a lot more than 1 capsule, which is only 600mg. How much are you taking? How do you get the powder down?
Posted 4/23/2018 5:34 AM (GMT 0)

Sinmiedo said...
I don't think a Psyllium Seed enema would be as effective as it's likely preferable to expose the Psyllium Seeds to the many factors of the upper digestive tract in order to aid the bacteria of the colon in breaking down the fiber. That's just a quick thought though as I haven't researched into that idea.

Good points - so you are saying that you think the psyllium seed is first processed by the stomach and small intestine to make it in a form acceptable to the colon? I wonder if that is true? Some people say that psyllium travels straight to the colon intact? If it is intact, then wouldn't it be the same to mix it with water and shoot it up the rectum?
Posted 4/23/2018 5:36 AM (GMT 0)

suchatravesty said...
where/what brand did you buy?

I'm thinking about taking it in part for its potential healing benefits, but also because prednisone has made me constipated (probably because it has me constantly eating) and a lot of high-fiber veg and legumes have been giving me the bloats and gas, so I have cut back on them, and I need all of the fibers.

I saw that Solray sells Psyllium Seed in capsules, but I'm guessing I'd have to take a lot more than 1 capsule, which is only 600mg. How much are you taking? How do you get the powder down?

Yeah, I have been using Solaray and I am still experimenting on what is the right amount.
Posted 4/23/2018 8:37 PM (GMT 0)
Not quite the same. There are two main differences and a few notes to add in. Enzymes, including those of bacteria, operate best under ideal ph conditions which would be ideal by having food stuff introduced to both stomach acid, bile acids and allowing the intestinal tract to regulate the ph. The second is time. Average healthy digestion is 24 hours on the low end with bacteria being introduced relatively quickly. Time allows bacteria to degrade the fibers as well as the epithelial cells to absorb the necessary products. Another note to add in is how long the enema could be held in without expelling and creating a bacteria washout effect. These factors all would disturb the ideal conditions of scfa production. If the goal is butyrate, I would think butyrate supplements would be more efficient and come with the added bonus of sodium absorption if diarrhea is an issue. Butyrate enemas are a thing I believe. This is just my opinion though with the information that's already in my head so not the end all opinion.
Posted 4/23/2018 9:16 PM (GMT 0)

Sinmiedo said...
Not quite the same. There are two main differences and a few notes to add in. Enzymes, including those of bacteria, operate best under ideal ph conditions which would be ideal by having food stuff introduced to both stomach acid, bile acids and allowing the intestinal tract to regulate the ph. The second is time. Average healthy digestion is 24 hours on the low end with bacteria being introduced relatively quickly. Time allows bacteria to degrade the fibers as well as the epithelial cells to absorb the necessary products. Another note to add in is how long the enema could be held in without expelling and creating a bacteria washout effect. These factors all would disturb the ideal conditions of scfa production. If the goal is butyrate, I would think butyrate supplements would be more efficient and come with the added bonus of sodium absorption if diarrhea is an issue. Butyrate enemas are a thing I believe. This is just my opinion though with the information that's already in my head so not the end all opinion.

Yes, good points and your analysis on butyrate and short chain fatty acids is consistent with what I have read. I have heard of very good results with butyrate enemas but when I tried the butyrate enema it didn't go well for me. Granted, I already had a lot of rectal bleeding at that time, but it seemed to worsen it. I wonder if buytrate enemas are only effective when there isn't active bleeding?
Posted 4/24/2018 2:36 AM (GMT 0)
I believe it's more likely that butyrate is a substance that may address increased healing but is not likely a solution to the inflammation or possible immune system issues that are already present. Scfa's are likely absorbed through passive diffusion so absorption shouldn't be the issue but I would probably target the inflammation first. Enema wise, I like using a water soluble form of curcumin as it blends into the water very well and curcumin has a strong scientific backing and still stays on the natural side.
Posted 4/24/2018 3:44 AM (GMT 0)
I wouldn't try an enema. I tried using the musilegen off of boiled flax seed in an enema and it was painful. The digestive process seems to be needed when it comes to fiber like that.
Posted 4/24/2018 10:14 AM (GMT 0)
You may want to do Vit E enema instead for a while then switch to butyrate enema or just take Miyarisan.

And if Psyllium seed is helping, seriously consider reading up on resistant starch.
Posted 4/24/2018 4:29 PM (GMT 0)
I agree with posters who say don't do the enema and I completely agree with deltaforce on the resistant starch angle! Even if you add just potato starch with you seed powder you will see a big, positive change.
Posted 4/24/2018 5:20 PM (GMT 0)

deltaforce said...
You may want to do Vit E enema instead for a while then switch to butyrate enema or just take Miyarisan.

And if Psyllium seed is helping, seriously consider reading up on resistant starch.

Amazon has vitamin E suppositories and potato starch powder form. Do you think it would make sense to add these two? My understanding is Vitamin E is an antioxidant and can help clear free radicals and potato starch would help feed the good bacteria. Is that your understanding as well or am I missing something?
Posted 4/25/2018 3:37 PM (GMT 0)
If your primary inflammation is restricted to rectum, like in proctitis, suppositories will help. If its in the colon, then you need to go past rectum and hence enema will be required.

For resistant starch, do NOT add anything blindly. Read up on it first. Mark Sisson has good posts on his blog, Mark's daily apple. Next, list all the resistant starches available in the market and then try one by one at various doses for 2-3 weeks each to judge if it suits you. Once you end the experimentation, stick to what helps.
What I did, I experimented each starch for 2-3 weeks, some even 4 weeks or some as little as one week, depending on how I 'felt' (which is subjective). At the end, I made a premix and have been using it ever since. The whole experimentation took 14 months, but was worth it.

If you are of Indian descent (assuming from your handle), consider using Cassava, sweet potatoes in your cooking. Fits very well in Indian cuisine (others can also use it, I just don't know how they will incorporate in their diet).
Posted 12/30/2018 11:35 PM (GMT 0)
I just started taking Metamucil today (psyllium husk powder). Has anyone had success with the pills? I bought the pills and just opened the capsules into a bottle of water. Any reason why that wouldn't be the same as taking the pure powder form? I noticed the Metamucil powders have either sugar, aspartame (in the sugar free) or maltodextrin in them. I'm pretty psycho about my diet so I try to avoid unnecessary sugar or additives.

I'm hoping the combo of psyllium husk powder, ghee (good source of butaryic acid) and slippery elm bark with give me the nice little boost to get into full remission.

Post Edited (ColonFerrel) : 12/30/2018 4:53:37 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 12/31/2018 2:14 AM (GMT 0)
Hi...take the capsules with meals, with water. I'd never think or want to dump them into wate , but why not.

Success in what way?

I've used them for over 15 years.

q
Posted 12/31/2018 3:19 PM (GMT 0)
I have a big thing of powder, generic metamucil, from my local pharmacy (riteaid) that is all psyllium husk and no additives. Of course, the powder has the consistency and taste of dirt (no sugar or flavors like the brandnamed metamucil has) but it's a quick gulp and gone lol. If you're wondering why the metamucil is in capsules, that's why without the additives it is kinda bleh.
Posted 12/31/2018 8:02 PM (GMT 0)
Plus you can carry them with you when eating out. I take 6 twice daily..breakfast and supper. Whatever you choose, take with meals and increase every couple of days.
q
Posted 1/2/2019 3:09 AM (GMT 0)
I also don't like all the additives in Metamucil, especially the sugar. I buy this stuff:

https://www.cvs.com/shop/health-plus-every-day-fiber-orange-w-all-natural-stevia-powder-supplements-9-oz-prodid-437835?skuid=437835-prodid-437835?skuid=437835

It's just psyllium and stevia extract. It tastes a lot better than plain psyllium, which does taste like dirt.
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