Plant-based diet achieved 96% remission rate in UC at 1-year

Sara, we're trying to be nice here and you need to be as well. I will lock this thread promptly if this continues (regarding comment back to Quincy)... I'm loosing my patience...

iPoop -- Where am I not being nice? I was seriously curious why you thought it was a sensational study, so I asked. I responded to quincy's snarky comment with the exact words she said to me. I am sorry but quincy's comment to me was NOT nice, yet you are going to lock my thread because I responded by saying good grief right back to her and defending myself...?

Sara14 said...

Uniform Charlie said...
I don't mean to create work for you, but can you put the UC figures into layman's terms?

Edit:. Sorry just feeling very stupid and foggy today.

No, you're not stupid at all, no need to apologize. I have a hard time understanding scientific studies a lot of the time, too. I'm not a researcher and don't work in medicine, but what I think the first link I posted is saying is basically that this practice in Japan started treating people with UC with a plant-based diet (no meat, dairy, processed foods). They admit them to the hospital for a few weeks (even mild cases) to make sure they are actually eating plant-based for these studies and to also make sure they are educating the patients on how to correctly eat this diet when they go home. They've been doing this for 15 years, and said they have experience with over 159 UC patients and 70 CD patients. They saw a 96% remission rate in Crohn's Disease patients in 46 consecutive cases (46 in a row) for patients they started on the diet AND gave starter doses of Remicade to. They note that this is an excellent remission rate, considering that about 30% of people don't respond to Remicade. At a one-year follow-up, 100% of their patients in this study were in remission and at 2 years, 90% were in remission. They say this was without "scheduled maintenance therapy" of Remicade or Humira, so I *think* that means these patients were not on these meds for the two years after they started on the plant-based diet, but that particular link I shared is more of an overview and doesn't go into those details. I would need to search for those details to be sure of that. The remission rate for "initial episode" UC patients was 86% at 1 year and 96% for those patients who were educated in the hospital. I think "initial episode patients" means that was their first time being treated for UC. It says they now treat mild cases of UC with a plant-based diet first, not medication. A plant-based diet without medication can induce remission in about one-third of patients with mild UC. They also note that more research and larger studies need to be done.

That's just the first link. I don't have time to go through all the other ones right now but hope that helps. For the record, I am one of those people who always thought diet had nothing to do with UC, but this research sounds really promising to me, and I definitely don't think these are "sensational" studies or without merit. They don't appear to be trying to skew the data, as far as I can tell, and it's not like there is money to be made off of doing so (there is no Big Money found in prescribing fruits and veggies and whole grains; the study wasn't sponsored by Big Pharma, like most of the drug clinical trials, etc.)

Great, thank you.

Sara...just to be clear, I would have no problem to say bluntly if I meant what you thought. I did not, and your mind seems ro be in overdrive unnecessarily.

Please take it to heart...no issues here.

q

They were initially treated with Remicade in the first link but did not receive maintenance doses. Yes, they hospitalized them to make sure they were eating a PBD and being educated on it. I wondered if they were also on any mesalamines. It doesnt say in that article. I really trust Dr. Garth Davis who wrote Proteinaholic though (this is unrelated to the studies I linked to) and he mentions IBD being helped by a PBD several times in the book. And he has entire chapters of the book devoted to teaching you how to decipher good scientific studies from poorly conducted studies, etc. And he used to be a huge believer in eating tons of aninal protein. He's a bariatric surgeon and would advise all his patients to eat more animal protein. He does know what he is talking about on this subject and has poured over the literature. I'm just starting to research it in relation to IBD, so I don't know a ton yet. Just thought I would share what I have found.

Ok quincy, no worries here.

TroubledTurds said...
I know for me that my UC improved dramatically when I added meat back into my diet - and, as a bonus, I got better looking and much smarter too - go figure -

ymmv -

I’m feeling very motivated to do something about my diet. If I don’t have good guidelines for myself I am more likely to eat potato chips which I know hurts me! I’ve had UC for 2 years and I’ve been vegetarian, and 99% plant based for 6 years. Lately I’ve been thinking about adding some meat to my diet, to see if it will help. The reason I think it could help is because protein regulates my blood sugar levels, and makes me feel satisfied therefore less likely to reach for junk food. I love lentils and rice or beans and rice, but I sometimes wonder if they give me more pain. Ok, I’m confusing myself even now another idea I’ve thought of is trying an elimination diet or low fodmap diet. I also have low iron and I’m chronically tired.

This topic has been discussed here several times. There are many people who had been on PBD (vegan, vegetarian) and then got UC. There are anecdotal reports from people who claims to cure their UC with solely carnivore diet. I personally know a man who eat only meat and animal fat. He was able to discontinue biologics and prednisone and now he is in remission. He has documented his progress on the Internet with lab results.

I still have a suspicion that artificial additives are the problem.

Vegetarian isn't a PBD, btw. At least read what I'm talking about before trying to tell me I'm wrong. Love when people who don't even read the studies march in to announce that I'm wrong. Lol. If you even read the thread, you would have seen I was vegetarian before getting UC. Vegan also doesn't mean plant-based. I've been vegan for going on 8 years.

More PBD stuff

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/amp/325589

I saw this, too, Uniform Charlie (almost abbreviated your user name, and realized they are UC, lol). I didn't post this article because I figured all the naysayers would just dismiss it and say "that's just one case study."

Regarding what I eat in a day. I’m coming out of a flare right now ( i hope) so I’m very careful with veggies and processed food. Yesterday I ate: sourdough bread, rice cakes, peanut butter, veggie burger with lettuce, dal (with coconut milk, crushed tomatoes, I added chick peas- low spice) and rice, green peas, oatmeal and blueberries, blanched almonds. Usually I eat more dark green veggies. I take iron supplements. Iron has been an issue for me for years.

Oligodar said...
This topic has been discussed here several times. There are many people who had been on PBD (vegan, vegetarian) and then got UC. There are anecdotal reports from people who claims to cure their UC with solely carnivore diet. I personally know a man who eat only meat and animal fat. He was able to discontinue biologics and prednisone and now he is in remission. He has documented his progress on the Internet with lab results.

I still have a suspicion that artificial additives are the problem.

I believe you're correct, Oligodar. I'm currently adhering to the carnivore diet (strictly salt, meat, and water) and it's by far the best diet intervention for me. Not sure it will work 100%, but definitely helps with symptoms. Different diets will work for different folks though. People should pursue whatever makes them feel better.

Could you direct me towards the carnivore guy you know? I'd like to read about his journey on it--sounds inspiring. Thanks!