OT Covid vaccine

Read Pfizer is mass producing the vaccine before it's certified for emergency use. Good as there will be vaccine ready for use when certified. My state expects to receive tens of thousands of doses in a month or less. Enough for healthcare professionals, first responders and those in nursing homes to be vaccinated. After which, higher risk individuals with complicating health conditions will be able to get it (which should be immunosuppressed IBD patients I hope). Be interesting to see how long until those of us who have an IBD can get vaccinated (when wanted).

Here intelligent people can respectfully share our differing views of covid vaccines among ourselves, but there is no justification for the following. So now if a kid suffers from long term side effects the parents will be completely blindsided and have no idea where those symptoms came from.

I would never have believed that Americans would passively roll over and accept laws like this.

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/dc-law-would-give-vaccine-decisions-to-kids-11-or-older-without-parents-knowledge-or-consent/
The chair of the health committee who passed the bill, Vincent C. Gray (D-Ward 7), was quoted in the Washington Post saying “the hope of an imminent corona­virus vaccine gave the bill new urgency.”

bill in the District of Columbia that would not only permit children 11 years old and older to consent to vaccines on their own without parental knowledge or consent, but also requires insurance companies, vaccine providers and schools to conceal the fact that the child has been vaccinated from the parent.

Iamcurious said...
So now if a kid suffers from long term side effects the parents will be completely blindsided and have no idea where those symptoms came from.

Ambling said...
Another ludicrously biased and ridiculous view presented by IAC!

I think most, if not all, of those who objectively read this thread will conclude that ambling is the one presenting the biased and ridiculous view. I've noticed with your constant trolling and blind attacks against iamcurious that you have lost the ability to think straight.

Then go for the astra-zenica vaccine which is much cheaper than the pfizer one and developed using more established techniques than the Pfizer (or moderna) one.
Odds of dying from a bowel problem due to vaccine are significantly lower than the odds of dying from covid.

Post Edited (poopydoop) : 11/24/2020 4:28:36 PM (GMT-7)

I really don't know just as you don't know it either

ambling said...
Aww look, coffeemate has dragged himself out again. Even IAC prefers you not defend him lol

Please be nice.

poopydoop said...
It is also in the drug companies' financial interests to create a SAFE vaccine otherwise they will get busted with lawsuits down the line

Plus many hundreds of well meaning people (not senior executives) at the FDA have been busting their butts extensively testing the efficacy of these drugs. There are higher purposes in life IMO, than avoiding the possibility of death at all costs, especially when the option is to sit back, do nothing, and just observe.

As an 80 year old male here in Canada I will certainly get the vaccine.
As we don't manufacture vaccines here we will certainly be slightly behind the States before it will be available here.
So we get to see how how you folks in the US fair first regarding any side affects.

Colie09 said...

People in the IBD realm always love to say "the benefits outweigh the risk,"

That's not what I said but being from "the ibd realm" with symptoms that made my life as good as being dead, I chose to take a new drug for which the long term risks are uncharted, because I had no quality of life with my flare.
Therefore the same logic applies with covid vaccine - what will be the improvement to my quality of life versus the risks? Yes there might be a long term negative effect but in the history of recent vaccines that is highly unlikely. The last time something went "wrong" with a vaccine in recent years was pandemrix, the swine flu vaccine, where 1 in 55,000 people developed narcolepsy. Obviously horrible for the people affected. However the odds of dying from covid are higher than 1 in 55,000 and if that's the kind of risk involved with being vaccinated I'm willing to risk it. I've been alone and unable to see family or friends for 9 months because of covid. I've also seen what long covid does to people and it would be a disaster for me to go through something like that as there is noone to take care of me if I'm wiped out for 6 months, especially as I live in a different country to family and friends.

poopydoop, my words weren't meant to invalidate your decision. I was simply sharing my personal outlook. As someone with perianal & fistulizing Crohn's, I 100% understand what it's like to have no quality of life. But at the same time I'm not willing to do something I'm uncomfortable with just because others (the medical community) may think it's what I need to do. If you ARE comfy with it, I think that's great.

I'm sorry you've been flaring and feeling so alone. Hang in there!

Post Edited (Colie09) : 11/28/2020 10:43:09 PM (GMT-7)

Read about one of our crohn's friends who got the Pfizer covid vaccine within the UK. The text of her post and a link follows:

I've had the Pfizer/BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine!

Hi all. I (F 29) have crohn's disease, in remission for a few years, for which I take azathioprine. I work in the NHS in England and I got vaccinated yesterday. I thought people might be interested to hear how I get on!

I've been vaccinated against hepatitis B with two full courses during my NHS career, but when they test my blood I'm a non-responder, I don't make antibodies, likely due to the azathioprine. So I'm prepared that I am likely still vulnerable to covid.

They were happy to vaccinate me as long as I wasn't currently flaring.

Its been about 14 hours since the first dose and all I have is a sore arm, so far this is better than this years flu jab which made me feel generally unwell for a day or two.

Any and all questions welcome!

https://www.reddit.com/r/crohnsdisease/comments/kab7y6/ive_had_the_pfizerbiontech_covid19_vaccine/

They're saying in the Netherlands it might take until August to vaccinate us all. With the program they've announced, I don't expect under 60s with underlying conditions to be invited until at least the 2nd quarter of 2021. What "worries" me more is they only ordered a small number of the pfizer and moderna vaccines, so I'm afraid by the time it's my turn they will only have AstraZeneca, which only has a 62% success rate. And then I will still have to live with covid anxiety.

In that case we should all fear getting covid twice as that would have the same effect on the immune system, or.....?

The vaccine does not give you antibodies directly.