Pfizer or Moderna?

Au contraire, Dr. Fauci has been a distance runner for decades, after playing on basketball teams in H.S. & college. For some reason other than Dr. Fauci, that Moderna vaccine is being foisted off on large urban areas with known lower economic communities. Japan, which has the largest ratio of seniors to other adult cohorts among the developed countries, has recently ordered large from Pfizer. I agree that IBD complicates the issue because we tend toward greater heterogeneity in response to meds, but we or any other patients with complex underlying conditions don't need to be clobbered by vaccine side effects in addition, and senior age makes them even more risky. It could be that Moderna would better suit younger adults w/o pre-existing health conditions. / Old Hat

The itching red Moderna injection site had an article heading on CNN Website about a week ago, which I intended to read, but then another topic distracted me so that I signed out w/o returning to click into the Moderna article. I think the redness + itching happened to enough injectees that it got acknowledged as a side effect, but not considered to be a major reaction. / Old Hat

1st shot of Moderna, injection site soreness and a solid headache for a full day the following day. 2nd shot on Feb. 3 and felt like a heavy head cold for 36 hours starting the following day. On Remicade and nothing else. Oh, and got shingles 2 days ago (was very mild at first and didn't think anything of it. Saw a few more spots last night, did a Teladoc visit, and on Valtrex as of this morning).

I think I’m going to wait for the J & J vaccine.

I have had first dose of Moderna, with no adverse effects. Hearing about all the people who have "recovered" from Covid who are still having issues months later, I will definitely complete whatever series is necessary.

Jujub (Judy2) is a medical professional with yrs of UC experience, who used to post here regularly, and I've missed her valuable input more recently. So, welcome back and I hope you'll stay with us, J.!!!!!!! / Old Hat

Michelejc said...

ByeByeUC said...
I think I’m going to wait for the J & J vaccine.

That's what I am waiting for

That may not be a bad idea. The coronavirus mRNA vaccines are EXPERIMENTAL injections made available without animal studies or any long term testing. Considering that the chances for the young and healthy dying from Covid-19 are minuscule then why should those who are not at high risk volunteer to take it?

Covid Mortality Risk by Age (from the CDC):
0-24:   1 in 250,000
25-44: 1 in 16,666
45-65: 1 in 2,500
65+: 1 in 500

However many in this forum are immuno-compromised so the fatality statistics for the young and healthy may not apply. I am not a medical professional and don't really know, but perhaps the Johnson & Johnson vaccine might be a more viable option since it is an adenovirus-based vaccine.

I do not know if J&J's vaccine has been extensively tested for vaccine side effects, but adenovirus-based vaccines are used against a wide variety of pathogens, including Mycobacterium tuberculosis, human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), and Plasmodium falciparum (malaria).

Post Edited (IamCurious) : 2/28/2021 3:45:57 PM (GMT-7)

The CDC calls the vaccines experimental to be used only in an emergency. This is important because experimental vaccines cannot be forced or mandated.

The idea is to achieve herd immunity (at least 75% immunized)
It is ridiculous to suggest that young people, and healthy people, don't need to get the vaccine. That defeats the purpose of eradicating the spread of the virus.

ambling said...
The idea is to achieve herd immunity (at least 75% immunized)
It is ridiculous to suggest that young people, and healthy people, don't need to get the vaccine. That defeats the purpose of eradicating the spread of the virus.

It is possible, nobody is really sure, but vaccinated people might still be able to transmit the virus to others. That is why medical authorities advise those who have been vaccinated to continue wearing masks, social distance, etc.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2021/02/post-vaccination-risk-is-a-false-dilemma/618149/
Anthony Fauci said last week on CNN that “it is conceivable, maybe likely,” that vaccinated people can get infected with the coronavirus and then spread it to someone else

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/08/health/covid-vaccine-mask.html
the Pfizer and Moderna trials tracked only how many vaccinated people became sick with Covid-19. That leaves open the possibility that some vaccinated people get infected without developing symptoms, and could then silently transmit the virus...

“A lot of people are thinking that once they get vaccinated, they’re not going to have to wear masks anymore,” said Michal Tal, an immunologist at Stanford University. “It’s really going to be critical for them to know if they have to keep wearing masks, because they could still be contagious.”