Covid booster

ks1905 said...
Antivaxxers are the worst and they are killing people and infecting others with blatant disregard for the people they infect.

Putting this in your signature would save you quite a bit of typing.

CCinPA said...


So true

I made an appt for my booster (4th dose) on 1/12. That puts me right in the middle between my remicade infusions. It's a little over 5 months from my last shot on 8/19 if counting 4 weeks per month. Going just by the date it would be a week early. I doubt they will be that anal about the date.

How did you pull that one off? I can't sign up at my state's site for a 4th vaccine just yet.

Keith -- I went on my hospital website and clicked on buttons for "immune compromised" and "booster" and it let me register. I think it would have stopped me if I wasn't eligible since I did all my other doses through the same site. Before I go next week I will call to make sure I can get it. In Pennsylvania there isn't a state site that we have to use. I think you can even do walk-ins at some places. I made an appt because the site I like to go to is close to my house so I can just run there over my lunch hour

ks1905 said...
Antivaxxers are the worst and they are killing people and infecting others with blatant disregard for the people they infect.

That is not what the Science says, Science says vaccinated people can just as easily transmit the virus as the unvaccinated. Even the CDC had to finally admit that.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/piis1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
A year-long study from the Imperial College London published in The Lancet found that the Covid virus is still highly transmissible within a vaccinated population.
"Fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings"

Then there is data from Israel, a country way ahead of us in the percentage people who are fully vaccinated:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties
The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus.

In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.

Regarding your second point, the data have not been corrected for people who died the first time around that they got covid.

Noone is doubting that natural immunity gives a broader immune response than a vaccine.

But a vaccine significantly reduces the risk of long covid, severe illness, hospitalisation and death, when you do get infected.

Remember there are people on this forum who have lost loved ones to covid and downplaying the severity of the risk of being unvaccinated is a little insensitive to them.

Post Edited (poopydoop) : 1/7/2022 2:30:26 AM (GMT-7)

POOPYDOOP: I know that my boss is vaccinated and he got Covid and has been very sick for two weeks now. Also, my friend is vaccinated and got Covid and sick for three weeks now. If they had not gotten the vaccine maybe they would of been in the hospital, I don't know.

I think everybody gets different symptoms or no symptoms at all with this virus. Vaccinated or not, you can get it. If an unvaccinated person gets Covid, are their symptoms more intense? For some yes, for some no. If a vaccinated person gets Covid, are their symptoms more intense? For some yes, for some no.

I think we will always have people that won't get the jab and people that will get the jab.

CC - my neighbour who refuses to get vaccinated told me that the hospital numbers are misleading because many people are admitted WITH covid rather than because of it. If I'd been more clued up at the time (i had to check what she said later) I would have explained that many of those people have a downturn in their comorbidity BECAUSE of the covid infection. Here is an article explaining. I tried not to freak out when they gave UC as the example (and my point was...no evidence will convince some people because they will just make up a story to deny the truth. But there was a study done locally that showed most unvaccinated people are doubtful because they are afraid of side effects, rather than being hardcore antivax. And therefore I get frustrated when they are fed a story of falsities and contortions)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/29/how-can-we-measure-the-true-scale-of-uk-covid-hospital-admissions

Michelejc said...
POOPYDOOP: I know that my boss is vaccinated and he got Covid and has been very sick for two weeks now. Also, my friend is vaccinated and got Covid and sick for three weeks now. If they had not gotten the vaccine maybe they would of been in the hospital, I don't know.

Statistically one or both of them probably weren't vaccinated against Omicron. The CDC recommends a booster shot to protect against Omicron and only 22% of the eligible US population has a booster. The CDC needs to update their definition of fully vaccinated for Covid to include a booster

Staying out of the hospital or worse is the desired outcome for these vaccines. They do prevent or lessen some Covid infections but that is not their primary design; herd immunity by vaccination will prevent infection and spread. Certain conspiracy theorists, pundits, and trolls like to conflate "breakthrough" infections with vaccine failures, but they are either willfully or unintentionally ignorant.

ks1905 said...
Antivaxxers are the worst and they are killing people and infecting others with blatant disregard for the people they infect.

IamCurious said...
That is not what the Science says, Science says vaccinated people can just as easily transmit the virus as the unvaccinated. Even the CDC had to finally admit that.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/piis1473-3099(21)00648-4/fulltext
A year-long study from the Imperial College London published in The Lancet found that the Covid virus is still highly transmissible within a vaccinated population.
"Fully vaccinated individuals with breakthrough infections have peak viral load similar to unvaccinated cases and can efficiently transmit infection in household settings"

Then there is data from Israel, a country way ahead of us in the percentage people who are fully vaccinated:

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties
The new analysis relies on the database of Maccabi Healthcare Services, which enrolls about 2.5 million Israelis. The study found in two analyses that people who were vaccinated in January and February were, in June, July, and the first half of August, six to 13 times more likely to get infected than unvaccinated people who were previously infected with the coronavirus.

In one analysis, comparing more than 32,000 people in the health system, the risk of developing symptomatic COVID-19 was 27 times higher among the vaccinated, and the risk of hospitalization eight times higher.

There are 2,000+ Americans dying each day and many more infected, scared, and suffering - our medical institutions' are buckling from unvaccinated people flooding their ERs with covid infections. We have members on this forum who are at high-risk &/ immunocompromised that are worried about going out in public because of the virus. If 80% of the population took the CDC's advice and got fully vaccinated against the Omicron variant then we wouldn't be in this current situation. But instead, we have you on here spouting your usual wrong non-sense.

I believe I read yesterday? that 43 percent of the vaccinated hospitalized patients in Texas were immune compromised, and I have forgotten the other percentage of vaccinated hospitalized patients that were in with their complex medical issues plus Covid--but it was pretty high. I can't remember where I read it so you can take the numbers with a grain of salt. Still That concerns me.

I understand people's reluctance to get the vaccine. I have family members with health issues, they had horrible "go to the hospital" reactions to their vaccines... now they have been informed by their specialists not to get a second or third vaccine yet. So I understand some not getting vaccinated. At the same time we have lost 4 people in our family now to Covid, 2 others were in the hospital for months, and still haven't recovered completely. First 2 were before vaccines were available. Others were vaccinated no health issues w/Delta-they still died. Yet unvaccinated family members have gotten Covid and were fine. So confusing.

Just like this forum I have family members debating the pros and cons. It's important to debate and show others your information.... maybe it will make them understand your stance better. (And maybe they will eventually get vaccinated...or not..)

Thank you all for posting your sources and making them live. It helps me so much.

Stay safe all.

Clo

from the CDC website:

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/burden.html
146.6 Million
Estimated Total Infections

124.0 Million
Estimated Symptomatic Illnesses

Last Updated: October 2, 2021

Sara,

Maybe things will be better for you with the Pfizer. You'll have to update so that others know. If it works sir you it might work with someone else.

I had my 3rd full dose in November. It was Moderna and I have tested negative for antibodies yet again. The first 2 were Pfizer. I didn't have any reaction to the first two. The Moderna... I was in a flare so unsure what was going on.

Crossing my fingers that this works for you!
Clo

Sara14,

I was watching TV awhile back and some person had gotten vaccinated like 5 or 6 times in one week.

I was very disappointed when they didn't indicate her antibody load. LOL.

Not developing antibodies has warped me. But I am not a quitter... I will be going in for the 4th shot.

I hope this works for you. Fingers crossed.

Clo