Van Jordan

Hambo88 said...
Thank you. How do you know this kind of things?

I'm studying biochemistry in school and I read about redox medicine on a regular basis.

Hambo88 said...
I have bouth camu powder, grape seed extract, E vit, sulforaphane.(not the same brand what Van Jordan linked on the second page)

I wonder very much the effect of these things.

Introduce them one at a time... starting with grape seed extract.

Introduce them one at a time... starting with grape seed extract.

ok..i started to take them yesterday

camu: local brand ( middle europe country brand) but the raw material is "100% bio camu camu from dubai"
vit e: jutavit
sulforaphrane: swanson
organize grape seed extract: local brand (with ginko biloba) 95% opc content

my question is the same how can i recognize the right suplement for me?
Or what do you watch for when you buy a suplement?

thanks

VanJordan have you heard of a product called ASEA? It is a redox signaling molecule beverage. What do you think of it?

Thanks for this topic, I am wondering which food contain these chemical? And how many should we eat? e.g. how many broccoli? .etc

I don't want to take many man made supplements, because it will affect the kidney, especially for people who are taking so many medicines for ulcerative colitis

VanJordan said...
These are the products I take:

Grape Seed Extract:
https://www.amazon.com/Olympian-Labs-Extract-capsules-bottle/dp/B000UZUAFA/ref=sr_1_46?crid=1ULNRUHBG7G5&keywords=grape+seed+extract&qid=1654401259&sprefix=grape+seed+ex%2Caps%2C335&sr=8-46

Sulforaphane:
https://www.amazon.ca/BROQ-Sulforaphane-Supplements-Independent-Stabilized/dp/B08JG27DSZ

Curcumin:
https://www.amazon.com/Thorne-Research-Meriva-500-Phytosome-Supplement/dp/B005P0UF4Q/ref=sr_1_3?crid=2KJMJFYJC6RU3&keywords=thorne+SF&qid=1644365218&sprefix=thorne+sf%2Caps%2C161&sr=8-3
You need to take sulforaphane, not broccoli seed extract. The best one on the market that I know of is called BrocQ and it's on Amazon.

Butyrate:
https://www.amazon.com/Tesseract-Medical-Research-ProButyrate-Bio-Availability/dp/B075BRR1JJ

For quercetin, any brand will do. Same with vitamin C and rutin. They are very common.

BROQ has increased in price *a lot* and I'm not sure why. I am investigating a new sulforaphane supplement now. Even though the protocol is pricey, you don't have to be on it forever. Once the gut heals and seals (usually 6 months), you can revert to maintenance or periodic doses. I also take vitamin E and camu camu, which are very high in antioxidants.

Dr. Pravda does not generally respond to patients because his primary focus is research. He will publish a new paper in the not too distant future that will detail a more refined protocol than his previous papers. For example, his last paper required rectal administration, but I have not used any rectal meds in this protocol.

I have refractory UC and working with his theory put me into remission within 6 weeks after being prednisone dependent for 2.5 years. Nothing else worked. I have been doing a lot of ancillary research related to oxidative stress and the whole thing just explains UC so well. In the years I've had UC, I've done dozens of different protocols, thousands of hours of research, and experimented on myself like crazy. Nothing has been so surefire as this protocol. There is no doubt in my mind that the reductive theory of UC (hydrogen peroxide) is correct.

Even if Pravda's research doesn't lead to product development to help UC, it doesn't matter... we know the root cause now. It's oxidative stress. Lifestyle, diet and supplements that maximally target cellular oxidation will make UC go away. We just need to develop the best strategies for doing so!

I started taking Stelara injections a little over a year ago. I self-administer one shot every 8 weeks. It has helped tremendously and my last colonoscopy in December showed I'm in remission. However, ever since February, I feel like things become a bit looser around the 4 to 6 week mark into my Stelara injection. So, I started reading more about what's working here for people on Healingwell. I came upon this thread and decided to give VanJordan's supplement regimen a try. I ordered the above supplements and am still waiting for the Sulforaphane and Curcumin to arrive. I started taking everything else about 3 days ago and have noticed an increase in gas during my visits to the restroom and more frequent visits. However, things are more formed. Have others noticed an increase in gas initially and / or frequency initially?

Thank you for the quick reply. I was thinking the same with introducing too much too quickly. However, I also thought it could just be a side effect of killing off some of the bad bacteria in the gut and gaining a more stabilized gut. I guess I should go back and just take one supplement for the next week to be safe. Thank you, again!

VanJordan said...

little_bear said...
I came upon this thread and decided to give VanJordan's supplement regimen a try. I ordered the above supplements and am still waiting for the Sulforaphane and Curcumin to arrive. I started taking everything else about 3 days ago and have noticed an increase in gas during my visits to the restroom and more frequent visits. However, things are more formed. Have others noticed an increase in gas initially and / or frequency initially?

It was recommended elsewhere that you should not start by taking everything at once. You should introduce one supplement at a time to look for incompatibilities, or at least to let your body adjust. If you do everything at once, it will be hard to know if it's one thing or everything that's causing recoil in your body.

More formed stools are to be expected. The gas and increase in frequency, I would *guess* (I don't know for sure) is due to changes in gut flora that accompany taking these supplements. When the colon starts to heal, the gut flora reconfigure to be more healthy again. However, it sounds like you threw everything at it and now you're having intense changes. I recommend starting with one supplement at a time. If that one goes well, in a week you can add another one.

A lot of IBD patients complain that alternative medicine doesn't work but it's usually because they are not doing it properly. Just because medicines are natural does not mean you should take everything at once. You still have to treat them as medicines.

I agree with this 💯. I started to grape seed extract and have noticed gas but I’m saying that I also broke open the capsule as I wanted to be very cautious. Van Jordan did you notice any nausea from the grape seed

i dont know if i have more bm because of a supplement then how can i know that does it means that my gut flora is changing?

Forexample some years ago i tried to drink cabbage juice...i read many excelent story and succes about it...

i drink for 2 days because it made diaerrhae to me.
I asked on a forum a cabbage juice drinker he told me wait a week just drink the juice more one week and my gut bacterias will be changed, exchanged because cabage juice modify it.

So my question is: this gut bacterium changing theory is real?how i know when change my flora?

Hambo88 said...
i dont know if i have more bm because of a supplement then how can i know that does it means that my gut flora is changing?

Forexample some years ago i tried to drink cabbage juice...i read many excelent story and succes about it...

i drink for 2 days because it made diaerrhae to me.
I asked on a forum a cabbage juice drinker he told me wait a week just drink the juice more one week and my gut bacterias will be changed, exchanged because cabage juice modify it.

So my question is: this gut bacterium changing theory is real?how i know when change my flora?

As I said previously, it was my best guess. I obviously can't see inside of your bowel.

Yes, the gut bacteria shift is real. It's not a theory. There are studies which show vegetarians who start eating meat have major gut bacteria changes within 48 hours. The same with other diets.

I am not surprised cabbage juice didn't work for you. It's one of the worst things you can have if you have active IBD. A lot of natural health practitioners give blanket recommendations like "cabbage juice" because they read studies that cabbage is high in methionine which can heal ulcers. But they never seem to understand that it's contraindicated in active diarrhea. I can't tolerate cabbage juice whatsoever, not even the smallest amount diluted. And I am sick of people recommending it to me, along with quacks who read "Medical Medium" and tell everyone to take celery juice as the cure to everything.

Medical science is complicated and juices are not the cure for UC.

Theanxiousaries said...


Enema consisting of-
mesalamine (2.67 g),
budesonide (5 mg),
cromolyn sodium (100 mg)
sodium butyrate (1.67 g)

Are all these used as an enema or just the mesalazine?

They are all part of the enema solution in his protocol.

What I do is use a budesonide (budenofalk) foam enema, then immediately following that apply a homemade enema (using a 5ml syringe) consisting of vitamin E oil and butyrate.

The Vitamin E is a replacement for mesalazine as an anti-oxidant, it seems to work better for me.

I remember someone using butyrate enemas made at a compounding pharmacy

TheGrifter said...

Theanxiousaries said...


Enema consisting of-
mesalamine (2.67 g),
budesonide (5 mg),
cromolyn sodium (100 mg)
sodium butyrate (1.67 g)

Are all these used as an enema or just the mesalazine?

They are all part of the enema solution in his protocol.

What I do is use a budesonide (budenofalk) foam enema, then immediately following that apply a homemade enema (using a 5ml syringe) consisting of vitamin E oil and butyrate.

The Vitamin E is a replacement for mesalazine as an anti-oxidant, it seems to work better for me.

How much Vit E? And how do you use the butyrate? Do you break open a capsule?