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LilBoyo
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Posted 7/13/2023 8:12 AM (GMT 0)
Had my light breakfast before not being able to eat. I ended up having a 235ml blood transfusion last night (my consultant said it was just a top-up, my haemoglobin was at 77 and they do blood transfusions below 70 but it just sounded reasonable if I’m going to get out and stay out of hospital to take that extra help. Weirdly, it’s also made me less scared about
the colonoscopy too?) and I’m feeling a lot calmer today. My doctors are meant to be coming around to properly explain what I’m meant to do now I’m having it as an inpatient instead of an outpatient, but I’m just reminding myself that I’m doing everything I can and it’s going to go fine. I’m mostly afraid of throwing up like I did last time (but, I really wasn’t in a good place when I took the prep last time. I say it often, but I don’t have very good support systems for stress like this; I mostly just get yelled at) but being in hospital alone I hope it will be a slightly more relaxing experience with less uncertainty. I’m also always worried that they’re going to say I didn’t do it properly and now they can’t do the colonoscopy, but I’ve seen people say here they’ve had it done even when not ‘fully clear’ and all I can do is my best in terms of prep. I’m the type of person who feels guilty when my veins struggle during blood tests, so it’s always a lingering fear I’ll be letting them down somehow even though they probably get so many people who do less prep than me.
I think this will be the final update until after the colonoscopy; as always, not much to ask or say, just chattering along because this thread has grown to be a big comfort to me between the two extreme family advice I get of ‘just get over it and ignore the pain’ and ‘you’re horribly ill and can’t get better there’s no point even trying’.
Thank you for being here for me, everyone!
FlowersGal
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Posted 7/13/2023 2:50 PM (GMT 0)
Good luck! Will be looking forward to your update after the procedure! Also, I don’t know how things work in the UK, but it’s advisable to ask for a written copy of your colonoscopy AND more importantly, the pathology report. It saves time if you ever switch drs and the electronic copy gets lost or not transferred over. Make copies and keep them in a safe place. Comes in handy to track your progress through the years. Here in the US we have to specifically request (sometimes in writing) for the biopsy report as they won’t just hand them out usually. When you get the report if you post it here, there are very knowledgeable members who can interpret it for you (not me!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣)
poopydoop
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Posted 7/13/2023 9:16 PM (GMT 0)
Good advice. Some hospitals have an online portal where you can see all your results. The biopsies can take a week or two (or more) for the results to come back.
clo2014
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Posted 7/13/2023 11:23 PM (GMT 0)
Hi! I hope things are going well.
I wanted to jump in and let you know that when I did my prep in hospital it was waaay way better and easier! The nurses are trained to help you and they have meds for nausea right there...and if you have an IV in place and become nauseated they sometimes place the meds in the IV and the relief is so quick!
It important to have the scope and find out where you are at, where you need to go, and what you have to do to get there.
I had times where I was getting better and suddenly had a bad day.... I started a food journal so I could see if there was something I ate that might have made my tummy more upset. I discovered that there were foods that I needed to avoid while in a flare. I sometimes still have to watch out for fast food or spicy foods.
On having reactions to medications when you are in a flare.... That happened to me too. Once I was on medication and better they started happening less and less. Hopefully that will happen for you too.
And finally.... On the person that is sitting by your side... Maybe an option would be to have a nurse or doctor explain that things have changed drastically...And that their journey does not mean that Your journey is going to go the same. I was diagnosed in 2015. There were some meds available then... But so many more now.
And on the stress.... When I have someone sitting beside me stressing me out while in the hospital... Oh gosh... My symptoms are much worse. I'm constantly running to the bathroom and nauseous! So while you are talking to that nurse.. or doctor .. maybe they could be encouraged to tell your visitor to visit alittle less or to be quiet about
their journey or expectations.
I am crossing my fingers and toes that you get the answers you need so you can continue to get better.
Please let us know how it goes! You are in all of our thoughts and prayers!
Clo
Charlie789
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Posted 7/14/2023 9:19 AM (GMT 0)
I might be different from the norm...but i think i had one flare...it lasted 6 years....now thats not to say that symptoms did not drastically improve during that period but i do not think i was fully in remission....id do a good 3 months...things would get bad for 3 months and then clear up again etc etc...i had scopes when things were good but my GI would see evidence that some inflammation is still active....im not sure i was ever truly in an endoscopic remission during that period when i was on asacol alone.....it was not until i was hospitalised and put on IV steroids for a week and started on imuran that i think i truely managed to enter a remission....like i say i may be different from the norm in that respect
poopydoop
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Posted 7/14/2023 2:17 PM (GMT 0)
Hi LilBoyo I guess you had your scope by now. Hopefully you're feeling better and got some nice food afterwards. Your "support" network sound like idiots, sorry. I have some family members like that, they make everything about
them, no real empathy.... I had some psychotherapy so now I can mentally stick 2 fingers up at them when they are being annoying. Take care!
LilBoyo
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Posted 7/14/2023 5:42 PM (GMT 0)
Back from the colonoscopy! I am fine. Have had a bit of bleeding in the toilet since, but we aren’t that concerned so just awaiting results tonight or tomorrow morning. I’m so relieved it’s all coming to a pause now, and I’m having some lovely food. I ended up not eating or drinking for way longer than I was meant to because the NHS had messed up my colonoscopy timings; they almost had to start prescribing fluids for me haha (and now my steroid and azathioprine timings have to be all shuffled and missed because they didn’t give me my morning dose) . It was absolutely terrible but the actual procedure had this lovely nurse who kept me calm. I’ve found out sedation tends to make me very affectionate and tearful haha.
The most stress so far has been from said “support system”, yes. I’m not trying to milk ‘recovery’ or anything, it’s just a colonoscopy, but her reaction to everything afterwards was not good for my heart. She’s caused arguments with nurses, then spent the hour sedation was wearing off having a go at me, and since then she’s gone rather crazy about
any of my other visitors seeing me and won’t take no for an answer to maybe taking a break from coming up as soon as visiting hours
open tomorrow. I’m trying not to think about
it too hard because I just want to rest. I really just wish she would leave me alone, but she must be at the end of her tether- the doctors have been telling her to stop talking about
surgery to me, and this is the one chance to prove my UC isn’t nearly as severe as she wants it to be so I need surgery and we ‘twin’. Again, I won’t go too deep into her horrible mindset because I don’t think this is the place for it- it’s for my own symptoms and recovery!
But yes, all in all in myself I’m feeling so much better. I’m so grateful for the nurses who sat with me and listened to me babble about
what was going on on the screen, and I hope the biopsies show something positive! I’m taking it easy for a bit now, it’s been a rough last 24 hours.
Sara14
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Posted 7/14/2023 8:14 PM (GMT 0)
How old are you? If you're an adult, tell her to leave. Problem solved.
CCinPA
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Posted 7/14/2023 8:19 PM (GMT 0)
You had the scope without being fully sedated? That would be rough when flaring. Glad you are recovering from that ok. When I have been hospitalized I told everyone to not visit me. I was there because I was sick and needed rest. With visitors I felt like I had to entertain them and couldn't really rest. Since the person who visits you is who you live with I guess that would be hard to do, but I am concerned that she seems very keen for you to have surgery. You will need to be very vigilant to take care of yourself when you get home so she isn't tempted to sabotage your recovery (not saying she would do that but her behavior is a bit odd). There are so many meds today that weren't available just 10 years ago so there's a very good chance you and your docs will eventually find the right meds that will keep you in a solid remission.
It will take 2-3 months for azathioprine to kick in. Hopefully the steroids can help you until then. If that med doesn't work there are lots of others to try before you would have to go the surgical route.
This forum is a good place to get support. I always find out about
new meds here before my doc even knows about
them because some members are in clinical trials. You have the right place for what you need right now.
Serenity Now
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Posted 7/14/2023 10:00 PM (GMT 0)
Sara14 said...
How old are you? If you're an adult, tell her to leave. Problem solved.
17.
Sara14
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Posted 7/14/2023 11:38 PM (GMT 0)
I still would've told off whoever it is at 17. I'm blunt and direct like that though. Regardless, you definitely should be able to express your needs and feelings! And yeah, that's really weird they had you awake for the colonoscopy.
clo2014
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Posted 7/15/2023 2:50 AM (GMT 0)
I'm glad your scope is behind you and you are eating regular food.
Hang in there with everything. We are here to vent to.
Clo
LilBoyo
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Posted 7/15/2023 11:27 AM (GMT 0)
Got the results back today everyone. I am a little bit devastated haha. So they found a stricture and I’m showing more crohns symptoms than UC now (am I still allowed here if they’re saying it’s more consistent with that? I know it’s not silly like I’ll be chucked out immediately but still) and I’m too inflamed for how they wanted the adalimumab to react. They said I’m “not responding to current tx”.
I’m staying in hospital until Monday to start a new biologic, but the consultant is finally saying that this is my third one now and studies say that people who respond usually respond to the first ones. I understand. He said about
possible surgery on the horizon, but it’s still just a far away possibility.
I had a little cry; but it’s not even that I feel hopeless about
the results, I just feel like I’ve lost. This family member has “won”. It’s silly, but all her manifesting for me to get worse and to be like her is coming true and I’m so angry and scared about
life with her. I know at 17 I should be able to stand up to her and voice my opinions but it’s not just medically she’s like this, and every time I do confront her my life gets made a lot worse and obviously this current situation is not one where I want to be giving myself any extra stress. I’m going to try and keep her away today by saying I have a game to play with my friends so she can’t visit for too long, because I just don’t need her general presence around right now.
People were saying that users here are good at ‘translating’ the report, so I have a few things I’d like to ask if that’s okay! I think I understand most of the words but it’s always good to check.
‘Erythema’ is like redness and inflammation? And ‘granularity’ must mean my lining is ulcer-y and such? The worst words on there seem to be ‘extensive severe congestion’ in, I think, the area around the stricture. What does that really mean? Like I get congestion in terms of traffic but it said my bowel prep was good so what is getting congested?
CCinPA
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Posted 7/15/2023 1:40 PM (GMT 0)
You can definitely stay on this forum with Crohn's. Treatments are similar so no worries. I disagree with your docs about
people usually responding to the 1st biologic. I don't think you were on either of the 2 meds they had you on very long and they were both of the same class (TNF blockers). There are other classes of meds that work differently. There are many people on this site who had to go through several until they found the one that works. What medication are they going to start you on?
I am not one of those who can interpret reports well, but someone will stop by who does. Were they able to get past the stricture and scope the full colon?
I know you are only 17, but is there anyone else you can stay with? She seems toxic for you and your health.
poopydoop
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Posted 7/15/2023 1:47 PM (GMT 0)
LilBoyo - i know its not the result you wanted but now you know what it is you can treat it. Again, you are a long way from surgery. Whoever told you that about
biologics is talking BS. There are different "families" of biologics which block different components of the immune response. It's perfectly normal to not respond to one type of biologic but respond well to another. Also the newer drugs like the jak inhibitors (xeljanz, rinvoq, jyselica) and S1P modulators (e.g. zeposia) are NOT biologics. Infliximab and adalimumab are both tnf-inhibitors so the next drug you try should NOT be a tnf inhibitor as they're clearly not doing it for you. But that still leaves a wealth of options. If your healthcare team doesn't understand this and tries to give you another tnf inhibitor I would honesty switch to another hospital. As I've said before, the hospitals associated with universities and doing active research are generally more knowledgeable than provincial hospitals and offer a better standard of care.
I tried 2 different biologics (Infliximab and entyvio) as well as 9 months trying azathioprine at various doses - none of them put me in remission. Then i went on xeljanz and have been in remission for 4 years.
I have 2 sisters with crohns and neither of them have needed surgery to date, the youngest was diagnosed when she was 18, she is now almost 30 and doing well.
And yes, please keep posting here! We have many crohnies who post on this subthread. Your family member is abusive by the way. Probably you already know this. I guess you just have to sit tight for a couple of years until you can move out and be independent.
poopydoop
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Posted 7/15/2023 1:50 PM (GMT 0)
CC - without knowing how sedated lilboyo was - I also talk with the doctor and nurses during my scope and remember seeing things on the screen. I am only annoyed that I don't remember more. I was trying very hard to stay conscious!
CCinPA
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Posted 7/15/2023 2:11 PM (GMT 0)
Poopydoop -- I am always completely knocked out for scopes. I used to think that everyone was, but I know that some get the twilight sedation so you are awake and aware of what is going on. My docs have made comments that my colon is very loopy. One comment was that it was "torturous" which sounded ominous but the scope was clear. I would imagine that there is some swearing going on during my scopes so I am glad I am knocked out lol
quincy
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Posted 7/15/2023 2:53 PM (GMT 0)
Congestion is caused by a reaction of the inflammatory process. This can cause restriction of blood flow causing swelling in an area.
Erythema is inflammatory redness.
Granulomas are a specific concentrated collection of immune response cells as a reaction inflammation or infection. In the colon, they are a strong indication of Crohns based on the distribution.
Re your support person, is she a relative?
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Sara14
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Posted 7/15/2023 5:25 PM (GMT 0)
Surgery for Crohn's can be a lot different than for UC. None of the biologics worked for me and then Xeljanz worked. It would be odd for a GI to mention surgery at your point for UC; however, it may be different for Crohn's...I don't know. They often just take out sections of the intestine for Crohn's. Did he specify what type of surgery?
I understand about
the person. Good idea about
the game thing.
CC: I was knocked out when I got twilight sedation. Didn't remember a thing.
LilBoyo
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Posted 7/16/2023 8:01 AM (GMT 0)
I’m sorry I don’t know what they are trying me on, but they said it would start tomorrow so I’ll be able to update then, and if it is another TNF inhibitor I’ll definitely talk to my IBD team and bring up some of the medications mentioned here; no point in not trying!
Everyone saying it was a bad jump to bring up surgery has made me a lot more relieved. I’m sure the doctor was just trying to make sure I was aware it’s always a final decision, but it did feel like I went from having every medication in the world to try to suddenly being on a timer.
As for the colonoscopy, they did apparently get past the stricture and do the full thing! At the time I thought it was just because I was young, but they were telling me during the procedure they were switching out to a smaller tube (this is usual for me, I need the smallest needles for blood draws and smallest cuff for blood pressure machines to work, so I didn’t even think about
it) and it must have been to get through that. The report I think actually says they took 16 biopsies? Unless I’m mistaken? (2 to site A, 4 to site B, 6 to site C, 4 to site D. I don’t know if the ‘sites’ are always the same but that’s how my report refers to them) from the entire bowel. It does say “procedure abandoned” in the diagnoses: “mucosal inflammation, colitis and Procedure abandoned” but when I asked they said they managed to do the whole thing so I’m not sure what was abandoned. It also says “no complications”, though that’s not much help.
My premedication was fentanyl 100ug and midazolam 3mg, and I was very awake the whole time. I really didn’t feel tired until I got back to the ward, I just held one of the nurses hands the whole time and I think cried about
how I didn’t want to be a nuisance to them. The notes say I had one or two episodes of mild discomfort that were “well tolerated” so I suppose they didn’t see the need to do anything else? I don’t know.
As for everyone worrying about
my family member, yes I am aware of her tendencies. Unfortunately I am not in a space to be able to leave and be independent yet, but hopefully soon. I have a sibling I plan to live with when she’s got her own home (she doesn’t live in ours) and I’m able to leave. The dramatic family member did end up starting a massive argument yesterday, but surprisingly she wasn’t even concerned at all at the possible new crohns diagnosis and medications- she was upset that now my family are visiting me today instead of going to my distant cousins 21st birthday party because it’s an “embarrassment”. The drama took my mind off of the results, at least! I still don’t think it will settle in my mind until I get another one of those big leaflets with all the information on the new medication and have to start it all again. The follow up is just “awaiting pathology results” but with the strikes there is no date on that.
beave
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Posted 7/16/2023 10:48 AM (GMT 0)
Did they give you any details about
the stricture (such as its
location in your colon, its length, and how wide/narrow the passageway is in the strictured region)?
Can you tell us exactly what the report says regarding erythema, congestion, etc? Word for word, if you can.
The pathology reports you are waiting on will hopefully give some clues as to whether this is Crohn's or UC. It sounds more like Crohn's to me, but sometimes it's hard to tell.
Did they find inflammation in the rectum? Continuous inflammation? Or patchy inflammation?
You mentioned before having some upper GI symptoms. If the colonoscopy results point toward this being Crohn's, you should also have further testing done of your small intestine - something like an MRI with oral and IV contrast, called an MR Enterography, to see what if anything is going on in the small bowel. Sometimes Crohn's just affects the colon, sometimes just the small bowel, sometimes both.
beave
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Posted 7/16/2023 10:52 AM (GMT 0)
Your scope medication of fentanyl and midazolam is a commonly used combination sometimes called "twilight sedation" because it doesn't completely anesthetize you like you would have for a surgery. The fentanyl is a potent pain killer and the midazolam is a short-acting benzodiazepine that relaxes you and can make everything really foggy. For some people it's enough to put them out pretty good, while for others they stay fairly aware.
beave
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Posted 7/16/2023 10:57 AM (GMT 0)
One thing to point out about
starting and stopping the Humira so quickly is that often with more severe colonic inflammation and bleeding, it can take a lot of up-front dosing (loading) of an anti-TNF to get the bleeding under control. Sometimes docs give up on it too quickly when what is really needed is a higher dose at the beginning. There is something called protein-losing enteropathy, where protein leaks from the damaged bowel wall. And infliximab and adalimumab are proteins. So with severe bowel inflammation, the drug gets infused or injected into the person but some/much of it can leak right out the bowel wall, not doing much good. It's like trying to fill a bucket that has a bunch of holes in it.
beave
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Posted 7/16/2023 10:59 AM (GMT 0)
The docs might also want to take a different view of the stricture by doing either an ultrasound or a CT scan or MRI of the colon.
LilBoyo
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Posted 7/16/2023 11:52 AM (GMT 0)
The word for word parts of the report I think people wanted to see:
Site A: (terminal ileum) 2 biopsies
Site B: (area extending from caecum to hepatic flexure) - mucosa: patchy moderate granularity; patchy mild erythema; Colitis. 4 biopsies
Site C: (area extending from proximal transverse to the distal sigmoid) - mucosa: extensive severe congestion, erythema, granularity and mucopurulent exudate, Colitis. 6 biopsies
Site D: (area extending from rectum to distal sigmoid) - mucosa: patchy mild congestion and erythema; Colitis. 4 biopsies
Diagnoses: mucosal inflammation, colitis and procedure abandoned
Follow up: awaiting pathology results
Advice/comments: mildly inflamed rectosigmoid but from 25cm till hepatic flexure, extensive inflammation with cobblestoning of the mucosa, ulceration and friability of the mucosa, with relative narrowing of the lumen. Ascending colon with semi formed stools and mild erythema. TI appeared normal. Overall appearances more consistent with Crohn’s disease rather than UC. Not responding to current tx
My consultant came by and I still didn’t get the name of the medication but I’ve been told it’s not a TNF inhibitor this time, it’s an inhibitor of something else? And the first dose they’re doing is an IV infusion but afterwards they want to get it on medication like my adalimumab epipen was. Tomorrow I’ll be able to give more details on that.
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