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Posted 9/19/2008 3:51 AM (GMT 0)
I guess it would depend on our ethnic background, but basically, we are designed to be able to eat meat...but not raw (from which we have evolved since fire was invented)..

Not all people can or want to eat meat. Me....I'm definitely omnivore, but raw fish as in sushi or oysters or whatever else like that...I avoid.
Must be cooked!

quincy
Posted 9/19/2008 1:41 PM (GMT 0)
We were designed to be able to eat both meat, grains and fruit/veggies (omnivores). We can derive our protien needs from non meat sources and do not need meat to survive or thrive, unlike our feline and canine friends. Our digestive tracks are long enough to get the protein out of grains/veggies and short enough that the meat can pass through without any bacterial growth problems (if you are eating a well balanced healthy diet). Our teeth are made to grind down grains/veggies and to rip meat. Our digestive enzymes also allow for the digestion of both, unlike felines and canines.

http://www.vrg.org/nutshell/omni.htm

I eat a lot of LEAN beef and don't have any problems. I do tend to have problems when I have been eating a lot of potatoes and not so much salad.
Posted 9/19/2008 4:51 PM (GMT 0)
maybe some of the problems are from what we DON'T eat rather than what we do?

I do, however, get gas from chicken but not eggs (or as my husband puts it..liquid chicken)....chicken farts..pu!
q
Posted 9/19/2008 5:21 PM (GMT 0)
"chicken farts" LOL, that sounds funny!

:)
Posted 9/19/2008 6:00 PM (GMT 0)
Yes, "chicken farts" is a first for me! Isn't it amazing at our different chemical makeups? I can handle chicken, fish, and turkey just fine. Red meat is still a bit difficult for me - how I would love to have a nice juicy TBone steak! Yum, Yum. My day will come!

Gigi1227
Posted 9/19/2008 6:47 PM (GMT 0)
I have been sticking to eggs and chicken, but as soon as I can I want some red meat. have your butcher make it wafer thin it cooks fast and is easy to chew I like ribeye not the healthiest but I am anemic so I need all the help I can get. I splurge on a frozen white castle from time to time there is almost no meat but it gives me a taste.
Posted 9/20/2008 6:49 AM (GMT 0)
t-bone...my fave...and I do eat the whole thing.
Posted 9/23/2008 4:23 PM (GMT 0)
I don't know if there is any truth to this or not, but as you all know when you get to a certain point in your illness, you are willing to look into and try just about anything.  Anyway, I heard about this book... "Eat Right for Your Blood Type".  It is about how everyone processes foods differently because of thier blood type. Some people can digest animal protein very efficiently (Type O) and some people can not (Type A), due to a variety of factors.  I found it to be very interesting reading and have been following the diet recommendations for Type A for the last 4 - 5 weeks, which verges on becoming a vegitarian.   There is a whole list of each food which is considered benificial to your type and foods to avoid.  The book references diseases such as Colitis.   My colitis symptoms seem to be nearly gone.  The cramping, bloating, gas, blood and frequency all seem to be in good check right now.  Prior to the diet, I was and still am on 30mg of Prednisone (since May 5th), 3600 mg of Asacol daily, Rowasa enima's nightly and just recently they added Imuran.  (However, they just stopped the Imuran, becuase they think I am allergic to it.  I have spiked fevers over 102 and have had horrible flu like symptoms).  Anyway, I am hoping that maybe there is some truth to this Blood Type hocus pocus.  I'm willing to give it some more time.  Especially now that they have taken me off the Imuran.  I am also starting to taper down (again) on the Prednisone.  So this might be a good time to see if the plan works.  I have also been on a Gluten Free diet since June at the recommendation of a naturopathic doctor.  At first it was a little rough, but I have settled into the whole thing now and really don't miss things like I thought I would.
Posted 9/24/2008 7:50 AM (GMT 0)
If you read enough posts and threads, you will discover that there really is no one answer about what you can and can't eat. Everyone is different, this disease is so personalized. There are so many diets out there, and each and every one of them has someone who will testify that their diet will work for everyone. Go ahead and try out any of them sounds good to you.  If it helps, great.  If not, at least you learned something from it.  IMO, the best thing you can do for yourself is to keep a food journal, track your diet, your symptoms (or lack of), and your meds if they are changing. Trial and error is what has worked the best for me, and keeping the journal has helped me to see how things affect me. Sometimes red meat is okay, other times it tears me up. I can't eat fish due to an allergy. I know that eating lots of sugary foods (candy, cakes, cookies) gives me gas and cramping. I can't drink milk but I can tolerate cheese and yogurt in moderation (has something to with the process involved in making them). Eating fruits gives me gas but I'm okay drinking fruit juices. That is what I mean by personalized.
Posted 9/24/2008 8:16 AM (GMT 0)
agreed!
too true
Posted 9/24/2008 11:26 AM (GMT 0)
Yes, this is a personalized disease - different for each one.  I couldn't handle red meat when I was in the worst part of my flare.  Now, I am improving and can handle red meat and salad!  Also had some pizza last night - we'll see how this day goes.

 

Gigi1227

Posted 9/24/2008 9:51 PM (GMT 0)

I am certainly not new to UC.  I have been living with it for nearly 10 years...and I do understand that everyone is different.  I understand food doesn't cause it, but can aggrivate the symptoms.  I have tried just about every diet under the sun to control this....haven't found anything concrete yet, but am certainly not going to give up.  :) 

This is just the first one that seems to ease my discomfort, pain and gas.  Seems to be working for me, but may not for someone else. 

Just thought the book was interesting...a little over the top...but interesting.

Posted 9/25/2008 7:05 PM (GMT 0)
DDR11 -

My apologies if you mis-interpretted my statement above. I was not trying to say that "eating for your blood type" was wrong or bad. I was simply trying to get the message across that a person should try different things and not think there is one magic diet that will make everyone feel better. It is better to try something new than to repeat the same painful mistakes over and over again. Researching diets and gaining knowledge of nutrition, meds, and how our body works is always a good thing to do. I am certainly glad that you found something that is working for you.

For the first couple of years after being dxed, I kept hoping that someone would be able to definitively tell me what I can and can't eat. It is very frustrating that there isn't any one diet for UCers. Life would be so much simpler if a doctor could hand a person a card with a spelled out diet and med regime when someone is dxed with UC. I tried many different things at first (I think denial was used the most). It wasn't until this most recent flare that I began the food journal and I realized how useful it really was for me.
Posted 9/25/2008 10:13 PM (GMT 0)

I agree with you 100%.  I have tried just about everything and it took a long time for me to understand I wasn't directly causing the issue by what I eat.  I have always been a healthy eater and so it has been extra frustrating not being able to manage this with diet alone.  I have also learned over the course of 10 years the things that really aggrivate my symptoms when I am in the midst of a flare.  As bad as it sounds, and I know many of these people can relate, I end up not eating anything, because I know what is going to happen with in minutes of eating.  I personally like control and consistancy in things and it is just so difficult because there is no consitancy and you are so not in control of what happens.  Quite possibly this diet is just wishful thinking!  I am starting to come down on the prednisone again, so soon we shall see.  I am keeping my fingers crossed and praying nightly.  :)  I am a little nervouse right now, because I have been feeling pressure in my rectal area and have been a bit crampy the last two days.  Trying not to get too worked up about it though.

Danni

Posted 1/8/2024 4:58 PM (GMT 0)
I’ve seen several articles of late…and videos on YouTube…doctors saying an all meat carnivore diet is great for those of us with IBD.

A good friend just sent me a video where the doctor says this has been as a known CURE for many years. The doctor in the YouTube video says a book that was written in 1975 “The Stone Age Diet”, written by a GI, says all red meat diet cures IBD. He claims in 1980, fears that such a diet would be bad for your health wiped this book out.

The guy on YouTube is Anthony Chaffee MD.

Anyone else seeing these type of articles or videos?

I see by the thread date of 2008 this has been talked about here in the past.

I am skeptical by nature. Curious to hear your “updated” thoughts.
Posted 1/8/2024 5:48 PM (GMT 0)
Read my thread Is UC an energy deficiency disease.
IMO:
Its not the meat per se. Its the ketones in the blood,and the lack of butyrate in the stool.
Meat diet means no veggies with fermentable/soluble fiber,no butyrate in colon.
Good when you already have IBD,since utilization is inhibited.If eat veggies then make butyrate,excess butyrate inhibits stem cells in the crypts therefore inhibited repair.
Prior to getting IBD veggies are good.
oldmike
Posted 1/8/2024 6:41 PM (GMT 0)
Rusty...I assume you're asking about extremes, so I'd say no. No food will cure your UC.
Have you been avoiding beef or eating it in moderation? Do you eat a balanced diet mostly?

I agree that all food sources have their place, offer nutrient sources and has specific action in the digestive tract. I need to have meat protein in my diet, mostly daily. But I do eat as balanced as possible, plus taking fibre supplements with meals.

If you do try the diet...keep us updated.

q
Posted 1/10/2024 7:05 PM (GMT 0)
Well I fall in the don't eat red meat group unless I really want to suffer the next day.
My favourite meat that gives me no problems is chicken.
Im a long term UC sufferer and over the years I have kept a good log as to my diet.
Posted 1/14/2024 8:19 PM (GMT 0)
Everyone is different, but red meat is helpful for people with bloody stool. More likely the grain or tomato causing issues than the meat. Remember: meat is mostly digested in the stomach and small intestine. Which means it doesn't have much effect on the colon.
Posted 1/14/2024 9:56 PM (GMT 0)
Red meat....

I love red meat... But I do not digest it the way I did pre IBD.

Steak constipates me. Eating only meat makes me feel ill.

Clo
Posted 2/5/2024 10:18 PM (GMT 0)
My oncologist advised me not to eat "too much" red meat. Interesting. That was my old doc, before I moved.... I'll need to ask my new doc and see what his opinion is.
As has been pointed out, we are all so different in terms of what we can tolerate. My experience is that a lower grade of beef might give me some issues, but beef tenderloin never does! Maybs some beef is more fibous and I don't chew enough?
In our household, we tend to eat more chicken and fish out of preference.
I sure feel for you cra43. My son had a sudden onset of UC when he was 12, and of course he was miserable, but for me as mother it was horrible. He could tolerate McDonald's burgers (!!!!) and ramen noodles better than anything else. Tough days. I'll be thinking of you.
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