probiotics and antifungals...???

I'm on Day 15 of SCD and I'm having a little relapse in my progress, so I'm thinking of starting the antifungals...

I remember mention of taking them at separate times a day to not hurt the probiotics, i think you said that imagardner...

so, if i'm going to start antifungals while taking probiotics... when should i take them?? are there any general guidelines to this?

also, i'm considering going back on my ultimate flora critical care probiotic which helped me in the past, even though it has FOS in it... won't the benefits outweigh a small amt. of FOS?? Maybe I'm wrong to think this, but I feel like it might help to have that 50billion a day compared to the 6 billion acidophilus ones i'm taking now

any advice??

I'm not an expert but so far what I've learned the hard way is whenever I stray from SCD guidelines eventually it causes problems for me.
You have to go with your gut and how it reacts.

I agree with you quincy... the rules and what ifs and stress and fear is really getting to me... it just seems like there are too many variables... what do you mean the other side?? Like, you don't think diet works??

imagardner, I'll try to pay attention to my gut, but it seems hard when I'm not exactly at peace to begin with in my gut, i don't know how to tell what's causing what... it seems to hard for me to tell, like there are just so many factors... I wish my colon could talk!
with the antifungals... do you know how you are supposed to do that with probiotics... i thought i remember you saying something about that...

i'm just trying to give this my best shot before having to do meds... my hopes were getting up with a couple good days, but now i don't know what to think, and going ahead with the diet seems really hard b/c i don't know if i'm doing something wrong or if i can even add food at this point... ugh!

yes it's hard to eliminate carbs and stick to the diet, no question.

I'm just starting to try anti-fungals myself so am not a expert in that field. other people have suggested taking anti-fungal and probiotics at opposite ends of the day which sounds reasonable.

Antifungal: I've dropped the grapefruit seed extract in favor of turmeric. I'm so close to being back to normal it's hard to say how well it's doing. IMO anti-fungals may not be that important, diet being uppermost for me. I got 95% better due to the SCD diet alone. I'm just tinkering now. I also recently stopped all forms of sugar including honey (except for muffins already made).

The first couple of months are the hardest and progress can seem very slow but as long as things are getting better and not worse that's SUCCESS.

I know you haven't bought any of the books, understandable. Here is an excerpt for "Life Without Bread" by Dr. Wolfgang Lutz. Skim down to the "Ulcerative Colitis" chapter. I found all of it interesting.
www.scdiet.org/7archives/lutz/lutz7.html

glad your trend is improvement.

why take honey out?
Tinkering. and because I know that when I eat less sugar I feel better. No, it's not bad in moderation.

I think I eat more protein than the average person.

Breakfast=Eggs every morning with small amount of swiss cheese and spinach in omelet and 1-2 pieces of bacon (see I'm not perfect-less processed meat is better). 3 oz. coffee and (1) cup green tea

Lunch=chicken or tuna fish and mayo or leftover meat from dinner night before. No veggies for lunch.

Dinner =meat or fish or shrimp (2-3x week) and 1 veggie (cauliflour, squash, spinach, carrots or stirfried greens like bokchoy, collards, etc), sometimes a green salad but I prefer cooked veggies in coconut oil.

Snacks:
soaked/roasted nuts (not too many or C)
almond muffins with 1/2 veggie added like carrots or squash plus raisins, blueberries (mod.)
homemade yogurt +cinnamon or turmeric and tiny bit of saccharin or blueberries. (first time I've been able to eat it in many years!)
piece swiss cheese

Protein keeps me un-hungry. Veggies just don't do that for me.

Sugar Free Bacon!! If you can find low sodium Bacon this will sometimes have no sugar. Costco sells a brand.

cool... so sweet n low is saccharin, interesting. does it have any illegal additives, or is it 100% legal? just wanting to make sure:)

i've looked at a lot of stores and all the low sodium bacon has sugar... but i'll keep looking.

thanks so much
emma

Post Edited (emma ann) : 6/22/2010 9:18:06 AM (GMT-6)

Have you heard about the "Herxheimer reaction" or "die-off reaction" that happens when carbs are limited and bad things in us start dying? I think that I've given up a couple of probably worthwhile diets because I started feeling bad and didn't know that that was to be expected. Maybe that's all your relapse is.

I recently started an anti-fungal diet, and from what I've read, antifungals should be rotated. Also, the antifungals may not work well if we are still eating the foods that feed fungus (sugars, starches etc). I'm also trying to "ease into" this diet this time to see if I can lessen that die-off reaction. I'm starting with the dietary changes and will add the antifungals after awhile. I was already taking probiotics before I started the diet.