For PathogenKiller (a declaration of love)

Yay, now we are cooking with fire!

Here is my declaration of love from the universe to you. You must treat that nasty lil mfer. Have you never done antibiotics since then?

Does it tell you your level of things like Beneficial flora... or E.coli, Lactobacilli, Bifida, yadda yadda?

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20833380

T-Bet ties in here..
www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=38&m=2725040


I bet you I can kill it naturally ;) My first inclination is Cryptolepsis.. but I should look at it further.

Interesting.

A couple of months ago I had a stool analysis done by Melbourne University in Australia. There's an impressive story right there. Couriering a poop on ice in a controlled atmosphere chiller box overseas.

Anyway it turns out I have an imbalance in optimal probiotics/bacteria. Some over-growth some underpopulated (lactobacillus). So I'm on the biofilm protocol to try and rebalance that. I'm currently working with my naturopath to do it without antibiotics. But the alternative if that doesn't work out would be antibiotics... a kind of 'scorched earth' approach.

Have you done any research on biofilms and colitis? Very interesting. Seems you have to break down the biolfims that the bad guys create to protect themselves before you can eradicate the overgrowth and restore balance to the force.

Post Edited (Jimbo NZ) : 5/16/2013 6:46:34 PM (GMT-6)

Biofilms are very important.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bukQbvbU2Jc

Gut biofilms are real. Biofilms can invade every area of your body. Think you have RA + Crohn's? OK.. sure.. but its the same thing. Your joints hurt because they are easy places for bacteria to hide from meds and detox methods.

But its good to have your detox pathways wide open if you go after them.
You dont want to be trapped in the sooty aftermath of clearing out your biofilms... then... letting your immune system go all ok corral the on bad guys that flee the films.

I do have research on biofilms and colitis, buried in very poorly categorized links. :)

Some interpretation was provided for my Streptococcus overgrowth.

• Increased distribution of lactic acid bacteria (Streptococcus, Enterococcus sp.) may lower the colonic
pH1
and has been reported to :(1) modify faecal microbial metabolism particularly the Bacteroides and
Bifidobacterium spp, resulting in a decreased production of volatile fatty acids2
, and (2) alter intestinal
epithelial barrier function increasing passive intestinal permeability to small and large molecules.
However, this consideration requires further study.
• High colonization of faecal lactic acid bacteria (Streptococcus, Enterococcus sp.) significantly and
positively correlate with cognitive dysfunctions (nervousness, memory loss, forgetfulness, confusion,
mind going blank)3,4,5,6, and sleep patterns (Bioscreen data).
• Increased proportion of lactic acid may result in a change in the distribution of the anaerobic microbial
flora. This change of the fecal flora may affect the production of primary bile acids and influencing the
bile acid composition in both the bile and the intestine7
. The possibility of fat malabsorption may occur.
However, this consideration requires further study.
• If indicated, erythromycin may assist in the suppression of the faecal Streptococcus spp.
Ampicillin/amoxy

While for the Bifidobacterium sp.: Overgrowth, the lab said this:

• High levels of Bifidobacterium spp. in the anaerobic microbial flora. Increased level of Bifidobacterium
may stimulate amine production8
. Similarly, increased levels of this organism may also lower the colonic
pH1
, modifying faecal microbial metabolism particularly the Bacteroides spp, resulting in a decreased
production of volatile fatty acids2
, and altering intestinal epithelial barrier function increasing passive
intestinal permeability to small and large molecules.

Jimbo, that strep is important. Strep infections, ESP chronic ones are bad on the gut. The strep uses metals to make biofilms, so great that you are breaking down the biofilms.. Hopefully you are binding the metals that frees and getting them out of your body.

Were you supplementing high strep probiotics at that time? Have you ever had ant antistreptolysin o test done?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-streptolysin_O

Somedude,
Sorry hijacked your post brother. So you're considering breaking your taboo huh? (no not that one!) I mean antibiotics. Is that so?

Thanks PK, I'll look into that.

Are you familiar with the sort of program i'm on there? Familiar with products? The Enzymes and the Parex etc?

How are your symptoms? I'm lucky at the moment and am symptom free and feeling great. Been drug free for a month and on this protocol. Was previously on 6MP and Pentasa until mid April and that kept things under control. But i had a bad skin reaction to something so came off my meds, luckily i wasn't flaring at the time and haven't since...but I know I'm nowhere near remission yet.

yes, i cqn see where the protocol is going.. Familar with both parex and the enzymes, though not that specific formulation. I'm so glad for you that you are responding well!

I'm in rx med free, symptom free remission. I stay around cause I'm passionate about showing people there is another path. I had lingering inflammation and constipation until the end of Jan..but sodium butyrate , triphala and a couple days of turkey rhubarb root kicked all gi symptoms out.

I found out I have lyme, mycoplasma pneumonia, strep and a saprophytic fungi overgrowth that I'm currently addressing with the supports in my sig. My main symptoms now are fatigue.. Lots of fatigue.. And sometimes joint pain as I do various detox things. All in all a year ago I was, maybe 25 % functioning... diet and some cleanses got me to 50ish.. Then the changes in the last 4 months have brought me to about 70-75%.

What's the deal with the Xylitol? I know it's a form of sugar alcohol. My naturopath has recommended it too but I haven't started taking any of it yet. It's good for the mouth...but does it help with biofilms as well?

Somedude
www.dadamo.com/knowbase/PATHbase/depict.cgi?60
"Evidence suggests that patients with ulcerative colitis have elevated antibodies to opposing blood groups. This probably represents the production of blood group like substances from the mucins of the intestinal lining by bacteria in the gut. If so, it may help explain why Sulpha drugs, which work by suppressing the levels of gut bacteria, are generally effective in controlling inflammation. The intestinal microflora are known to be disturbed inflammatory bowel disease.(3) and it has been thought that ulcerative colitis patients were mounting some sort of allergic hypersensitivity to gut bacteria, so depressing the levels of bacteria reduces the immune provocation.

However, it may be specific strains of bacteria capable of degrading the mucin of colitis patients into antigens which mimic an opposing blood type are the true cause of the immune reaction in inflammatory bowel disease. For example, bacteria producing the B antigen in the mucous of a colitis patient who is type A who cause the immune system of the patient to mistake their own colon lining for a bad blood transfusion, and attack it as foreign. This has been reported in the literature, and several strains of bacteria, including species of Proteus vulgaris, a common gut bacteria, are capable of synthesizing a blood type B antigen out of colon mucous called "pseudo-B". "
jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/24/5/428.extract

I always love when I find things from like, 1911?!?!? that seem to know more about things then modern day gis
www.jbc.org/content/9/6/491.full.pdf

do you react to milk?

I do not have time to reformat this but read the study about the monkeys on page 498
www.jbc.org/content/9/6/491.full.pdf
READ IT
If that doesnt sound like UC, I dunno what does.

Somedude, I just have to point out one thing from this headline.

You are dirty.


Now onto reading this thread.