We all know about mucus, but what about...

sounds hubris? To admit that my annoyance with this thread spurred me to ask my doctor the exact mechanisms so that the debate on pus and mucus could be laid to rest and instead the actual topic be discussed? I started a thread to get feedback and yes, Im annoyed that it turned into a debate on pus vs mucous after the other thread on how someone decided that the way a study was conducted was NOT the RIGHT way and as such had NO data that was usual. NONE. SCIENTIFIC LITERACY, 11ty!

I am arguing, you are right. But on a point.. not just to argue with someone. It really is important that people understand the mechanisms of their disease process and the players involved. If you are going to your doc thinking you have mucus but really what you have is PUS, it does make a difference.


I did leave and then people emailed me. not hubris, but several people.. and its hard to communicate with all of them one on one,tbh. Even pasting parts of conversations between folks. Especially with my life becoming busier as my functionality is increasing... Im so glad to be of help but wish I could be more help so my hope was to start sparking some talks about various common pathogens, genetic polymorphims and why they matter and herbal/nutritional protocols.

Im very torn on which is better for me personally. Participating on HW or not. I do think that it's important that people know other options then the ones the majority of this forum seem aware of. Im an educator by nature and my heart hurts for so many people that have been caught in this mess for so long with so little hope or answers. I was caught for decades. And now my intestines are well! That's what lures me back. And that some of the people Ive been helping are actually starting to see some results. Im so thankful to be able to share knowledge that helps then. Ive had the luxury of seeing the best specialists, trying so many alternative therapies, etc... I want to share that because so many people are stuck with a doctor at their hmo with no vision and very little real help for their disease. They cant try alternative therapies or even diets.. they are just trying to function.



Im not leaving but I just dont see alot of point in even attempting to open people's minds to other things if that means I have to defend something as trivial as pus vs mucus!

I think this forum is full of so much senseless bickering that it's hard to not be caught up in it occasionally.

So when that happens Im trying to just retreat and say.. ok, those who want to know more, Ive got an active link.. but I dont have time to bicker. Instead of just leave.. I try to remember that there are some people out there reading the things I write who are or will be very helped by it.. like I have been.

PathogenKiller said...
I want to share that because so many people are stuck with a doctor at their hmo with no vision and very little real help for their disease. They cant try alternative therapies or even diets.. they are just trying to function.
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word, I agree with this 100%. Some people just tend to accept status quo and just take meds and that's that. Instead of continuously researching, trying alternative stuff, you know. You can still take meds but you can also supplement that with other stuff and one day you might stumble upon a key thing that really does something.

ActiveUCer said...
Telling us that we produce pus without an infection is one thing (you are asking us to take your word for it), but telling us the actual mechanism gives the statement a scientific basis.

It's the difference between saying "the sky is blue" and "the sky is blue because of refraction of the sun's light via the Earth's atmosphere."

But my first response was a link that explained the highlevel details. Then I linked a reference to pus from the Colitis and Chrons foundation of america.

How detailed must one be here?

First link doesn't work (fixing .html at the end leads to an uninformative list of links), second link is just a general description of UC.

I don't think I've said, "Never any pus with UC!" Just that the nature of pus is that it's the result of infection, so if there's no infection, it's hugely unlikely that there's pus. And that the distinction between pus and mucous isn't exactly what they look like, but what they contain. Even if you have neutrophil infiltration with inflammation, you don't have lots of neutrophil death (aka pus) without infection.

If you have UC and you have an infection, then maybe it's pus. Send a sample to the doctor, have 'em test it if you want to know. But if you don't have an infection, it's likely just mucous.

PK, use the ignore tab for those you don't wish to communicate with here at HW...problem solved.

But dear ima, Im no scientist. Im a collater of data. I can bring things together and suggest connections. I cant always defend everything I say down to minutae, because Im not a scientist. I dont want to be one. I cant stand that kind of bickering.


I think ActiveUCer gave me something with the fact that most people are scanning through this stuff, not completely absorbing it.

I should try to get better at helping people absorb it, but that takes.... time. LOL I usually link other info in to help explain it, but if people dont get the paragraph in the article Im quoting, they just skim it.. then they tilt at windmills on an online forum.

You're the only one making it personal and being defensive if someone gives a different perspective/clinical/scientific view.

You really need to get over yourself. The information you provide is interesting and at times overwhelming. The few who are interested to actually chew on the facts are obviously more willing to seek the info in depth.  And with good reasons.

You can control what you put out there, and that includes your attitude.

Share the info...not all of us care nor do we read it all. That's OK. It's still appreciated because it's good information.

I understand your enthusiasm....but it's your enthusiasm. Those who are interacting do so for various reasons. You're another cog in the wheel of HW UC forum....no more, no less.

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