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Posted 10/29/2013 6:04 PM (GMT 0)
You are what you eat.
Posted 10/29/2013 7:10 PM (GMT 0)
but isn't everything pretty much genetically modified?

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Posted 10/29/2013 7:55 PM (GMT 0)
The sole purpose of GMOs are to create a pesticide so toxic to bugs that they die upon contact. If that isn't enough to convince American's that these scientists-biotech companies have no regard for the safety of their own people, i'll keep going...

They haven't been proven safe, and while independent studies have linked GMOs with cancer tumor growth, infertility and a bunch of other ailments, the only studies that would address mass-public concern are those done by these biotech companies, whom by the way forbid outside studies, meaning they have something to hide, and want to gain for themselves.

Only a slew of ingredients are genetically modified organisms.
-Corn, canola (rapeseed), cottonseed, soy, sugar beet/cane, US papaya, squash/zucchini, alfalfa.

Those first 5 ingredients are in everything, masked under different names: maltodextrin, soy lecithin, cane sugar, etc. If a product that contains one of these ingredients doesn't have an organic label on it, its GMO.

research.sustainablefoodtrust.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Final-Paper.pdf
One of the most recent studies on long term toxicity effects of roundup in lab rats.
Posted 10/29/2013 7:58 PM (GMT 0)
 

quincy said...
but isn't everything pretty much genetically modified?

There's an app for that. :)

http://www.fastcoexist.com/1680753/an-app-to-tell-you-if-there-are-genetically-modified-ingredients-in-your-food

You can also tell from the PLU (or is it SKU?) number. Like I get apples either 4130 or 4131. If they are coded like that they aren't GMO but they aren't organic either. An '8' as the first digit denotes GMO and something else is organic. There are lots of little ways like that to tell.

Posted 10/29/2013 8:01 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Quincy,

It's true that fruits and vegetables today bear little resemblance to their original form, and therefore it's hard to call anything non-modified for that matter. We've bast-ardized many things and have developed efficient methods for getting more yields, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's just that companies like monsanto take it to a whole new level with their disregard for safety and life.

This thread just refers to GMO that uses round-up. Glyphosate can be detected in the blood and its byproduct is ammonia. High ammonia levels correlate well to degenerative diseases like Alzheimers and ALS.
Posted 10/29/2013 8:16 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you for this quick synopsis explaining how GMO and glyphosate can be another reason for our modern epidemic of IBD. But for a really comprehensive (over one hour) video then I recommend the one Edbar has shared on this forum several times in the past. Very informative:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx4UVhJcnpo#t=566

Up until 6-7 years ago I was exceptionally healthy and could eat virtually anything I wanted without deleterious effects. Then all of a sudden everything hit the fan. Maybe it really is the recent proliferation of GMO foods that is the cause of all these food allergies and chronic diseases.

I am especially disappointed to hear about soybeans. For years I supplemented with lecithin or Phosphatidylcholines (PC) for general health and because PC has been proven to be helpful for ulcerative colitis. No more unless I can find a source derived from non-GMO soy.

Corn: Corn is the No. 1 crop grown in the U.S. and nearly all of it -- 88 percent -- is genetically modified. In addition to being added to innumerable processed foods, genetically modified corn is a staple of animal feed.
Soy: 93 percent of soy is genetically modified. Soy is a staple of processed foods under various names including hydrogenated oils, lecithin, emulsifiers, tocopherol (a vitamin E supplement) and proteins.

articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/10/06/dr-huber-gmo-foods.aspx
Glyphosate is the active ingredient in Monsanto’s herbicide Roundup, used in ever-increasing amounts on genetically engineered (GE) crops...
As Dr. Seneff and Samsel reveal in a recent study conducted at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, glyphosate is probably the most harmful chronic toxin we’ve ever encountered, and could possibly be the most important factor in the development of multiple chronic diseases and conditions that have become prevalent in Westernized societies today—including Alzheimer’s, autism, Crohn’s disease, gluten intolerance, leaky gut and many others.

Besides chelating micronutrients, glyphosate is also patented as an antibiotic...
What's worse, glyphosate preferentially affects beneficial bacteria, allowing pathogens to overgrow and take over...

It’s well worth noting that, on May 1, 2013, the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) doubled the amount of glyphosate allowed in food... Soybean oil may now contain as much as 40 parts per million (ppm) of glyphosate. Meanwhile, research by Dr. Monika Krueger at Leipzig University shows that a tenth of a part per million is all that it takes to kill your beneficial Lactobacillus, Bifidobacterium, and Enterococcus faecalis. So soybean oil is now allowed to contain a whopping 400 times the known limit at which it can impact your health...

Post Edited (BabeintheWoods) : 3/8/2014 8:23:10 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 10/29/2013 8:17 PM (GMT 0)
There aren't any GMO apples that are commercially available. One group is seeking permission to release one, but it's not on the market.

I'm pretty sure it's just squash, papaya, and sweet corn, and papaya and squash were engineered to be resistant to devastating viruses, not to produce BT or to be resistant to a herbicide. The papaya industry in Hawaii would pretty much be non-existant if it weren't for the GMO papaya.

I'm not going to get into the debate about whether or not GMOs are safe, because it's pointless.
Posted 10/29/2013 8:28 PM (GMT 0)

fruitgirl said...
it's pointless.

Why?

Posted 10/29/2013 8:35 PM (GMT 0)

BabeintheWoods said...
Thank you for this quick synopsis explaining how GMO and glyphosate can be another reason for our modern epidemic of IBD. But for a really comprehensive (over one hour) video then I recommend the one Edbar has shared on this forum several times in the past. Very informative:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx4UVhJcnpo#t=566

Up until 6-7 years ago I was exceptionally healthy and could eat virtually anything I wanted without deleterious effects. Then all of a sudden everything hit the fan. Maybe it really is the recent proliferation of GMO foods that is the cause of all these food allergies and chronic diseases.

I am especially disappointed to hear about soybeans. For years I supplemented with lecithin or Phosphatidylcholines (PC) for general health and because PC has been proven to be helpful for ulcerative colitis. No more unless I can find a source derived from non-GMO soy.

Corn: Corn is the No. 1 crop grown in the U.S. and nearly all of it -- 88 percent -- is genetically modified. In addition to being added to innumerable processed foods, genetically modified corn is a staple of animal feed.
Soy: 93 percent of soy is genetically modified. Soy is a staple of processed foods under various names including hydrogenated oils, lecithin, emulsifiers, tocopherol (a vitamin E supplement) and proteins.

articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/10/17/alzheimers-zinc-deficiency.aspx
Glyphosate is the active ingredient in Monsanto’s herbicide Roundup, used in ever-increasing amounts on genetically engineered (GE) crops...
As Dr. Seneff and Samsel reveal in a recent study conducted at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, glyphosate is probably the most harmful chronic toxin we’ve ever encountered, and could possibly be the most important factor in the development of multiple chronic diseases and conditions that have become prevalent in Westernized societies today—including Alzheimer’s, autism, Crohn’s disease, gluten intolerance, leaky gut and many others.

Besides chelating micronutrients, glyphosate is also patented as an antibiotic...
What's worse, glyphosate preferentially affects beneficial bacteria, allowing pathogens to overgrow and take over...

It’s well worth noting that, on May 1, 2013, the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) doubled the amount of glyphosate allowed in food... Soybean oil may now contain as much as 40 parts per million (ppm) of glyphosate. Meanwhile, research by Dr. Monika Krueger at Leipzig University shows that a tenth of a part per million is all that it takes to kill your beneficial Lactobacillus, Bifidobacterium, and Enterococcus faecalis. So soybean oil is now allowed to contain a whopping 400 times the known limit at which it can impact your health...

Soymilk triggered my nastiest flare back in 2006. I know now never to touch soy products again unless they are from another country or fermented in the forms of miso, tempeh or natto. There's a reason why countries like Japan and Australia outlaw this garbage.
Posted 10/29/2013 8:51 PM (GMT 0)
My UC started way before GMO foods,but never fear had plenty of DDT in me.
Old Mike
Posted 10/29/2013 9:32 PM (GMT 0)

Levi said...

You can also tell from the PLU (or is it SKU?) number. Like I get apples either 4130 or 4131. If they are coded like that they aren't GMO but they aren't organic either. An '8' as the first digit denotes GMO and something else is organic. There are lots of little ways like that to tell.

www.snopes.com/food/prepare/produce.asp
In short, a five-digit code beginning with 8 signifies a genetically modified (GM) product, a five-digit code beginning with 9 identifies an organically grown product, and a five-digit code beginning with 0 (or a four-digit code) marks a non-qualified (i.e., conventionally grown) product.

However, it is not the case (as suggested by the above example) that consumers can depend upon PLU codes to reliably distinguish between different forms of produce. For starters, the use of PLU codes is optional, so many produce items don't bear them. Additionally, PLU codes were developed for the benefit of suppliers and retailers to assist them in sorting and pricing produce, not to provide information to end
buyers. If GM-based food suppliers think consumers won't want to knowingly buy their genetically modified corn, for example, they can simply decline to tag it with PLU codes. Or, if retailers don't expect to price GM corn differently than conventionally grown corn, they can label the former with just four digits and omit the leading '8' that identifies it as a genetically modified product.

Post Edited (RayOfHope) : 10/29/2013 3:35:53 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 10/29/2013 9:50 PM (GMT 0)
I went and read that Snopes article right after I read fruitgirl's post and saw that. So, yeah, looks like that's not a fool proof way to determine the origin.
Posted 10/29/2013 11:05 PM (GMT 0)
For Babeinthewoods: www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_AHLDXF5aw

You'll be fascinated by the work of Stephanie Seneff, a researcher at MIT. She describes in great detail the interference that glyphosate has on our metabolic pathways. It holds clues to our own health and what we can do to recover from this miserable disease.

Cholesterol synthesis, for example, is one mechanism that the body needs to protect itself from gmo toxicity. Low-fat, high carb diets devoid of cholesterol are just another way to invite in this toxicity.

Her prescription is simple - get more sunlight and eat eggs for a long life.
Posted 10/29/2013 11:50 PM (GMT 0)

fruitgirl said...
There aren't any GMO apples that are commercially available. One group is seeking permission to release one, but it's not on the market.

I'm pretty sure it's just squash, papaya, and sweet corn, and papaya and squash were engineered to be resistant to devastating viruses, not to produce BT or to be resistant to a herbicide. The papaya industry in Hawaii would pretty much be non-existant if it weren't for the GMO papaya.

I'm not going to get into the debate about whether or not GMOs are safe, because it's pointless.

Why would the papaya industry be non-existent in Hawaii if it weren't for GMO papaya?

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My biggest argument is that suddenly, traditional agriculture practices that have been in place for centuries are no longer deemed fit for 2013? It's like concern for health is always second place, until we lose our health.

I'm not worried though. This has been an amazing year for the win against big food agriculture. It's only a matter of time until other states impose laws regarding labeling of GMOs. Truth will conquer.
Posted 10/30/2013 1:15 AM (GMT 0)
Stereo, PRV reduces yields quite dramatically and results in fruit that's not marketable. Once a plant has a virus, you can't get rid of it. They tried eradication programs and stuff, but it didn't work.

Here is a nicely written popular press-type article that explains the story: http://www.elephantjournal.com/2012/06/is-genetic-engineering-always-a-bad-thing-jennifer-mo/

Also, stereo, agriculture is a constantly-evolving field. So saying that it's suddenly changed isn't at all correct.

Levi, for me, it's pointless to discuss on this forum because it'll just end in a huge, off topic argument. I am trained in plant breeding and genetics. I know a lot of people with PhDs in plant breeding and genetics, most of whom work with fruit crops, so have zero ties to big ag. None of us think that GMOs are dangerous, yet we all agree that Monsanto has some done some fairly slimy things when it comes to marketing and controlling the technology.
Posted 10/30/2013 2:17 AM (GMT 0)
@ fruitgirl - Maybe you can explain the difference (if there is any) between genetic "engineering" and genetic "modification" - I came across a mention of this both from an agriculture article, and from another student actually. I was always curious if there really is some sort of difference.

From the little I caught one was DNA modification and the other was umm... well, haha.. I don't know lol... maybe there is no dif. But I thought both said it had to do with disease/pest resistance via plant species umm breading or cross breading versus taking the same plant and introducing all new genes (or DNA bits I guess) all together - like from a new organism or bacteria ?

Anyway, was more just curious cause I've never found an answer - and really more so just never asked anyone lol.
Posted 10/30/2013 2:25 AM (GMT 0)
I just don't buy the argument that if Adam and Eve had never eaten that apple then we would not have all these "food related" diseases. Now I do believe that going Paleo can help some people but I really don't believe that humans were only meant to eat prehistoric plants and animals and that everything since is causing all of our problems. The human body was built to adapt but I don't believe that means it is O.K. to eat toxins and junk foods (on a regular basis) either. Some people define toxins too loosely. It is undeniable that bad diets can lead to all sorts of health problems but some just take it way too far. Diet is probably the easiest and biggest scapegoat ever. Millions, if not billions, of people around the world eat basically whatever they want, etc. and live fairly normal lives with few problems. If all this stuff was so horrible it would effect more than just a small percentage of the population.
Posted 10/30/2013 12:16 PM (GMT 0)
Canada Mark, there's really not a super-clear difference between genetic engineering and genetic modification. But the point (I think) that quincy was trying to make is that our crop plants (especially the grains) are nothing like their wild ancestors. Since humans first selected the most desirable forms from the wild, planted them in fields, and managed them, they've been changing. This process of change became even more accelerated when we figured out that we could control the crossing (mating) process. So let's say that corn plant A has big kernels, but corn plant B has longer ears. If you cross those two, you'll hopefully end up with some offspring that have both big ears and big kernels, and therefore get a much higher yield.

That's what "classical" plant breeding is -- making planned crosses with the hopes that you'll get progeny that have desirable traits of both parents.

GMOs, however, are created when just one or a few genes are inserted into the plant, via the "gene gun" or agrobacterium-mediated transformation. The genes can be from a variety of sources, so long as they function in the plant. With the GMO papaya, for instance, the coat protein of the virus was inserted into the plant, so now the plant makes the coat protein. This protects the plant from a "real" infection of the virus, but causes no symptoms. The plant makes the coat protein (well, actually the entire virus) when it is infected with it, so it's no different than eating papaya from a plant that's infected with it (which is quite safe -- plant viruses don't infect people).
Posted 10/30/2013 1:41 PM (GMT 0)
Thanks fruit girl. That answered that just awesomely. Was always curious.

Forgot I came across this a while ago - thought I'd post it again on the board. Was curious on the whole DNA thing, what it is really, how it works etc. They have a cool computer animation showing DNA replication - www.hhmi.org/biointeractive/dna-replication-basic-detail

I was blown away watching it and thinking about this going on inside our bodies... It's one thing to read about, but to actually watch how it's replicated is well.. amazing. How/where did it all come from being what I was left thinking about...

Thought you and others might like it.

TIP: If you look above the video on the top right hand side of the window you will see a search box that says "find new resources". Just click it and then choose a topic... Well I thought it was all pretty fascinating actually.
Posted 10/30/2013 1:49 PM (GMT 0)
PS - Still makes me very nervous though... GMO and such.. It's only an uneducated opinion but just like tinkering with chemicals there always seems to be a down side. Just takes 100 years or so for people to realize this.

I call us the chemical generation now.. lol

Anyway

Thanks for explaining.
Posted 11/11/2013 2:50 AM (GMT 0)

fruitgirl said...

Levi, for me, it's pointless to discuss on this forum because it'll just end in a huge, off topic argument. I am trained in plant breeding and genetics. I know a lot of people with PhDs in plant breeding and genetics, most of whom work with fruit crops, so have zero ties to big ag. None of us think that GMOs are dangerous, yet we all agree that Monsanto has some done some fairly slimy things when it comes to marketing and controlling the technology.


fruitgirl,

What is your opinion on Bacillus Thuringiensis? There have been numerous studies done showing Bt to be harmful.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10354369
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10353588
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10657055

It kills the insects by destroying the linings of their intestinal tracts, so that the digestive system goes into shock and they starve to death. This is how most of us would die if modern medicine didn't exist. You don't think this could somehow be linked to the innumerable gut issues we face nowadays?
Posted 11/11/2013 5:05 AM (GMT 0)
After much reading and thinking - although I agree there may be some merit to applying GMO technology to solve some agriculture problems, the bottom line I walk away with is this.

They have no understanding yet of what exactly all the consequences are. And more so cannot explain fully all the possible effects. This applies to both Monsanto type folks as well as good old fashioned PhD researches with zero ties.

In fact if they did understand everything no one would be studying this and we would not be having this type of conversation in the first place.

Till that day comes - I'm not a fan, not do I care to ingest any.

It's amazing how little we actually know. And not just in this particular area.
Posted 11/11/2013 3:57 PM (GMT 0)
Bt doesn't "bother" me, in terms of being dangerous to humans, given how it's used and the doses at which we might ingest it.

Also, it's used in organic farming. So you'll likely not avoid it by eating non-GMO, organic food.
Posted 11/11/2013 4:11 PM (GMT 0)

fruitgirl said...
Bt doesn't "bother" me, in terms of being dangerous to humans, given how it's used and the doses at which we might ingest it.

Also, it's used in organic farming. So you'll likely not avoid it by eating non-GMO, organic food.


Yes you are correct when Bt is sprayed as an ordinary pesticide. But that is entirely different when Bt is injected directly into the genes of the corn thru genetic engineering. Then we are ingesting a potential pesticide factory into our guts with every bite of corn.
Posted 11/11/2013 4:17 PM (GMT 0)
I completely understand that Babe. But, you're not going to completely avoid it by eating organic foods, either. And it's actually not used much as a sprayed pesticide in conventional farming.

A lot of people don't realize that organic production DOES allow for use of pesticides, which is why I said what I did. They're just derived from organic sources instead of being sythetic. However, organic doesn't mean that it's safe. Some of the organic pesticides are quite broad-spectrum (ie, kill a lot more than the intended target) as well (sulfur, for example).
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