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Posted 3/6/2014 12:04 AM (GMT 0)
Makes you wonder if they know what they are doing with UC, or cancer and all the other autoimmune disease.

Assuming this doc is right,he has even figured out that refined carbs are not good.

Old Mike

http://medicalxpress.com/news/2014-03-saturated-fat-diets-dont-curb.html

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 3/5/2014 5:08:02 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 3/6/2014 12:22 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Old Mike-
There's nothing new in the article. Have seen it all in earlier publications. Perhaps they all feel the need to "publish" even if the content is worthless.
IMHO, the majority of medical people have a limited "value".
I think they start a practice and don't bother to take the time to keep up with current findings or expand their knowledge beyond the latest available drug.
I've attended "heart" seminars and have heard absolutely outdated and incorrect ideas. One doc said that snow shoveling is good exercise. Right.
Have also experienced dr appts where I'm explaining side effects of drugs to those who would cheerfully prescribe them.

It's discouraging. Just confirms my suspicions that you (the patient) have to question everything they suggest, do a lot of research and make your own decisions.
Posted 3/6/2014 12:43 AM (GMT 0)
1) Believe it or not but this was already known prior to the 70s and dietitians prescribed high-fat low-carb diets to curb weight gain and various health ailments. This was known as "Banting" as a tribute to William Banting, who first had remarkable results on a high fat, low carb diet in the 1800s. The New England Journal of Medicine details all of this pretty clearly, but Gary Taubes revolutionized all the information in his book here

It also didn't help that the McGovern report ( our current dietary guidelines ) was written based on ethical grounds and not sound science. There is almost zero evidence showing that a high carb, low fat diet is good for our health. It's actually just the opposite, as it is primarily indicated in heart disease, diabetes and metabolic disorders. Those "heart healthy" whole grains and cheerios are among the worst foods for our heart.

If the government suddenly comes out and says they were wrong, they'll be forever branded as unreputable and unreliable. It just makes them look bad to do a full reverse on their fraudulent guidelines.

2) Here's the study that came out in 2010 vindicating saturated fat ( and subsequently cholesterol ) in heart disease. It is statistically significant because it looked at over 300,000 people:

A meta-analysis of prospective epidemiologic studies showed that there is no significant evidence for concluding that dietary saturated fat is associated with an increased risk of CHD or CVD. More data are needed to elucidate whether CVD risks are likely to be influenced by the specific nutrients used to replace saturated fat.

In other words, grandma was right. Stick with butter, eggs, beef, broths and full fat milk for vibrant health.

3) I credit butter, full fat raw milk, egg yolks in helping conquer my lifelong depression. I soon found out that low cholesterol correlates pretty darn well to depression, suicide, autoimmunity, heart disease, etc. Statin drugs are arguably the single greatest fraud perpetuated in human history.
Posted 3/6/2014 12:47 AM (GMT 0)
Stealth said
"If the government suddenly comes out and says they were wrong, they'll be forever branded as unreputable and unreliable."

I laughed when I saw that sentence because I think it's a little late for apologies from the gov. We already KNOW.

IAS :-)
Posted 3/6/2014 12:52 AM (GMT 0)
I have been reading "Wheat Belly" and it parallels this info. The conversion from carb to fat/LDLs by the liver is what causes arterial plaques. Dietary fat does not do this in the same way.

It is an interesting read, and explains why some of us may have developed this dread disease. (GMO, herbicides)

I'll say it again...THE USDA AND FDA SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES!
Posted 3/6/2014 12:59 AM (GMT 0)
Well said, geeker!
Posted 3/6/2014 2:00 AM (GMT 0)

geeker said...
I have been reading "Wheat Belly" and it parallels this info. The conversion from carb to fat/LDLs by the liver is what causes arterial plaques. Dietary fat does not do this in the same way.

It is an interesting read, and explains why some of us may have developed this dread disease. (GMO, herbicides)

I'll say it again...THE USDA AND FDA SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES!

The liver also metabolizes fructose into triglycerides ( a stored fat ). triglycerides/HDL ratio is the chief predictor of heart health and insulin resistance, so the lower the ratio the better. Dr.Jonny Bowden put it eloquently here:

In case the very thought of math makes your eyes glaze over even if it’s simple division, let’s do a few examples:
Let’s say your triglycerides are 100 and your HDL is 50. Your ratio is thus 100: 50, which you can streamline by simply dividing triglycerides (100) by HDL (50) giving you a ratio of 2.
Say your triglycerides are 150 and your HDL is still 50. The ratio is now 150: 50, or 150 divided by 50, or 3.
The triglyceride to HDL ratio is an excellent indicator of heart health. It’s also an excellent marker for insulin resistance (or it’s opposite, insulin sensitivity). You want your triglyceride to HDL ratio to be low—2 or under is wonderful. When it’s high, it’s cause for concern, or, even better, action.

High carb consumption is synonymous with high fructose consumption - it's also the sodas, fruit juices, corn syrups etc. High fructose corn syrup is probably one of the biggest culprits as well.
Posted 3/6/2014 2:08 AM (GMT 0)
Don't worry: wait until next month and there'll be a new study which tells you that saturated fats will kill you: each macronutrient has to wait its turn to become demon (or saint) of the month.
Posted 3/6/2014 2:09 AM (GMT 0)

ItsAlwaysSomething said...
Stealth said
"If the government suddenly comes out and says they were wrong, they'll be forever branded as unreputable and unreliable."

I laughed when I saw that sentence because I think it's a little late for apologies from the gov. We already KNOW.

IAS :-)

War on cancer. War on drugs. War on Iraq. War on Afghanistan. I can't even count the number of deaths, if not suffering they have on their hands. I was there was a Nuremberg kind of trial for these murderers so that there could be a modicum of justice for the victims.
Posted 3/6/2014 3:01 AM (GMT 0)
I was there was a Nuremberg kind of trial for these murderers so that there could be a modicum of justice for the victims.

You what?

In other words, grandma was right. Stick with butter, eggs, beef, broths and full fat milk for vibrant health.

That diet may have landed me with Crohn's: it certainly didn't lead to vibrant health for me, even though I had never followed a low-fat diet in my life. But also, that bucolic diet never really existed, at least not in the UK. "Grandma" would have eaten an absolutely dreadful diet when young, at least if she was poor (which most people were). I'm talking bread, margarine, jam (as an occasional treat), corned beef, and tea with sugar. Go back earlier than that (18th century), and poor folks were eating white bread laced with lead to make it look even whiter.

Post Edited (NiceCupOfTea) : 3/5/2014 8:22:36 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 3/6/2014 3:14 AM (GMT 0)
may as well chew on this too:

www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/04/high-protein-diet-risks_n_4896501.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063
Posted 3/6/2014 11:13 AM (GMT 0)
The funny thing is I am two weeks into a no red meat no dairy diet.
I just had to give it a shot.
This will reduce my MAP and MAP antigen load, change my got bacteria types to at least less SRB's
and perhaps most important lower or eliminate my Neu5Gc load.
If you will remember Neu5Gc is a non human sugar, of which we all have antibodies,which cause
inflammation. Whether any disease is associated with this perhaps not, but the data is sparse.
Old Mike
Posted 3/12/2014 2:32 AM (GMT 0)
OldMike you going vegan? ;)

Thats old news, the bit about animal protein causing cancer. So maybe all the naysayers wont think Im so crazy afterall. ;)
Posted 3/12/2014 2:47 AM (GMT 0)

Sara14 said...
OldMike you going vegan? ;)

Thats old news, the bit about animal protein causing cancer. So maybe all the naysayers wont think Im so crazy afterall. ;)


I would honestly love to go vegan. But I listen to my colon, and it absolutely says hell no. I was a vegetarian before and during my first initial flare and it did not help.
Posted 3/12/2014 2:51 AM (GMT 0)
Have you tried it? The only thing my colon hates is lots of sugar. i eat tons of fruit and veggies and whole grains every day. I think people here are unnecesarily scared about fruits and veg. I see it all over the forum. I dont like this place too much, maybe I should go back into hiding before the wolves attack me again.
Posted 3/12/2014 12:42 PM (GMT 0)
MEAT eating wolves !
Posted 3/12/2014 2:09 PM (GMT 0)
No not vegan, still eat ,chicken turkey seafood.
Just no red meat or dairy at this time.
Based on the Neu5Gc none human sugar, which gets into our cells.

The immune system sees it a foreign, and makes antibodies,which cause inflammation.

Unknown at this time whether this causes disease of any type, but it is found on the surface

of cancer cells, and is part of the mechanism of organ or tissue rejection.
Old Mike

Post Edited (Old Mike) : 3/12/2014 8:13:38 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/12/2014 3:50 PM (GMT 0)
I eat a ton of fruits and vegies. I am not a vegan but i certainly did flip the rda chart upside down. Less grains and meats and alot more vegatables. Most sugars are gmo. Corn syrup, white sugar( made from gmo sugar beets),fructos, sucros...blah...blah. When i eat any sugar its organic brown sugar from non gmo sugar cane. Or ill use raw honey or maple syrup. Gotta think natural...
I use lots of butter, raw milk and stay away from growth hormone or pasturized anything. Its gotta be fresh or they put preservatives in it that just make you sick. Eating all this good food not only cured me but my wife doesnt need to take any medication either. My 17 yr old daughter even gets it. When she goes out she brings her own food or does without because of all the crap out there.

For eight years i suffered terribly had no clue that the canned fruits and veggies were in corn syrup and or pcb coated cans. Or worse coated with pesticides from the inside out. How can your body heal when it gets bombarded with so many toxic chemicals every day? In small amounts they are supposedly fine, but i dont buy it for a second.
Think outside the box!
Sry for the rant...just my 2cents for all its werth
Posted 3/12/2014 3:58 PM (GMT 0)

dmacell said...
I eat a ton of fruits and vegies. I am not a vegan but i certainly did flip the rda chart upside down. Less grains and meats and alot more vegatables. Most sugars are gmo. Corn syrup, white sugar( made from gmo sugar beets),fructos, sucros...blah...blah. When i eat any sugar its organic brown sugar from non gmo sugar cane. Or ill use raw honey or maple syrup. Gotta think natural...
I use lots of butter, raw milk and stay away from growth hormone or pasturized anything. Its gotta be fresh or they put preservatives in it that just make you sick. Eating all this good food not only cured me but my wife doesnt need to take any medication either. My 17 yr old daughter even gets it. When she goes out she brings her own food or does without because of all the crap out there.

For eight years i suffered terribly had no clue that the canned fruits and veggies were in corn syrup and or pcb coated cans. Or worse coated with pesticides from the inside out. How can your body heal when it gets bombarded with so many toxic chemicals every day? In small amounts they are supposedly fine, but i dont buy it for a second.
Think outside the box!
Sry for the rant...just my 2cents for all its werth

dmacell - thanks for sharing!

what were your symptoms during those 8 years - was it pancolitis? how much blood were you getting? did you have joint pains?

where can i get this "raw milk"?

thx.
Posted 3/12/2014 4:31 PM (GMT 0)
My diagnosis was fulminent uc...the worst kind. I lost 60 lbs in three months and dwindled away. Then went out on disability for three months until i finally started remicade; after trying every other medication and becoming steroid dependant at 25mg. It was horrible! I had my Gi on speed dial!
I had terrible pains all day and night in my gut until it was completely empty Bloody diareah up to 20x a day. Intense pains, fevers, night sweats, blurry vision, joint pains and swelling, trouble focusing, total body meltdown! At one point i was on 36 pills plus rowasa and eye drops. The inflamation was in my entire body.
Once on remicade my bm's went down to only 2-3 a day but the urgency never left. Over 4-5 years the remicade became less effective and i was going 5-6 time again. I switched to humira, then cimzia but over time they would become less effective.
Thats when i decided to change everthing i put in and on my body. I had no clue whether it would work or not but had nothing to lose. Over time every symptom went away and my body healed itself...seemed like magic and i felt like i got a second chance on life. My doctor was amazed and one by one i stopped taking the medications under his advisement of course.
When i stopped the cimzia was prolly the scariest time. I had such fears of it roaring back outta control and needing emergency surgery! It never happend...

I am part of a farm co-op. I get my fruits and veggies delivered weekly from a place called doorto door organics. Do an internet search for your area because they (co-ops ;different kinds ) are all over.
At the moment i get my raw milk at the big bear. Its a locally supplied natural food market.
Posted 3/12/2014 4:57 PM (GMT 0)

dmacell said...
My diagnosis was fulminent uc...the worst kind. I lost 60 lbs in three months and dwindled away. Then went out on disability for three months until i finally started remicade; after trying every other medication and becoming steroid dependant at 25mg. It was horrible! I had my Gi on speed dial!
I had terrible pains all day and night in my gut until it was completely empty Bloody diareah up to 20x a day. Intense pains, fevers, night sweats, blurry vision, joint pains and swelling, trouble focusing, total body meltdown! At one point i was on 36 pills plus rowasa and eye drops. The inflamation was in my entire body.
Once on remicade my bm's went down to only 2-3 a day but the urgency never left. Over 4-5 years the remicade became less effective and i was going 5-6 time again. I switched to humira, then cimzia but over time they would become less effective.
Thats when i decided to change everthing i put in and on my body. I had no clue whether it would work or not but had nothing to lose. Over time every symptom went away and my body healed itself...seemed like magic and i felt like i got a second chance on life. My doctor was amazed and one by one i stopped taking the medications under his advisement of course.
When i stopped the cimzia was prolly the scariest time. I had such fears of it roaring back outta control and needing emergency surgery! It never happend...

I am part of a farm co-op. I get my fruits and veggies delivered weekly from a place called doorto door organics. Do an internet search for your area because they (co-ops ;different kinds ) are all over.
At the moment i get my raw milk at the big bear. Its a locally supplied natural food market.

This is a fascinating story. I read your previous thread, so I know how much pain you went through. Just very happy you have found the fountain of health. If you have time, can you answer these questions?

1) When you ate the farm fresh fruits and veggies, did you wash them thoroughly? Assuming you ate them "dirty", I'm sure the soil microbes played a part in repopulating the gut with the right microbes. I take prescript assist (SBO), but I'd save tons of money by just eating the soil microbes directly from pesticide and pollution free soil from a farm. The amount they charge for it is criminal and unaffordable.

2) Are you taking any supplements like vitamin D, fish oil, etc?

3) Did you try antibiotics to help manage symptoms during your flares (or prior to your diagnosis)? Cipro, flagyl, amoxicillin, etc?

Thanks.

Post Edited (StealthGuardian) : 3/12/2014 11:10:49 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/12/2014 5:10 PM (GMT 0)

NiceCupOfTea said...
I was there was a Nuremberg kind of trial for these murderers so that there could be a modicum of justice for the victims.

You what?

In other words, grandma was right. Stick with butter, eggs, beef, broths and full fat milk for vibrant health.

That diet may have landed me with Crohn's: it certainly didn't lead to vibrant health for me, even though I had never followed a low-fat diet in my life. But also, that bucolic diet never really existed, at least not in the UK. "Grandma" would have eaten an absolutely dreadful diet when young, at least if she was poor (which most people were). I'm talking bread, margarine, jam (as an occasional treat), corned beef, and tea with sugar. Go back earlier than that (18th century), and poor folks were eating white bread laced with lead to make it look even whiter.

1) It's pretty much impossible to eat a high fat, high cholesterol diet in "civilized" countries these days. Most food manufacturers go out of their way to make foods low fat and if they do add fat, they load up with the omega-6s like soybean, canola, cottonseed and peanut oils. Restaurants do the same thing by replacing butter with margarine. Even products like beef and butter (gmo varieties) are so processed and factory farmed it's hard to consider them health foods. Did you know they have to add coloring to most milk varieties here to make it look like the real thing? Why not just serve the real thing? Processed beef = carcinogenic, but grass-fed beef from pastured cows = high in CLA, omega-3, L-carnitine. I don't think studies do enough to make the distinction between processed meat and farm fresh meats because 99% of Americans sure as hell don't eat farm fresh food.

2) Surely you are aware of what the Nuremberg trials were:

Held for the purpose of bringing **** war criminals to justice, the Nuremberg trials were a series of 13 trials carried out in Nuremberg, Germany, between 1945 and 1949. The defendants, who included **** Party officials and high-ranking military officers along with German industrialists, lawyers and doctors, were indicted on such charges as crimes against peace and crimes against humanity.

I consider the unnecessary wars and the subsequent collateral damage and casualties as crimes against peace and crimes against humanity. Bush is a murderer in the truest sense of the word.
Posted 3/12/2014 5:30 PM (GMT 0)
The fruits are washed in a vinegar solution, but the veggies are just rinsed off during the preparation. Im not afraid of a little dirt. :-)
I take an allB with C, multivitamin, and acidopholis because im not a huge yogart fan.
The few times i was forced to take an antibiotic it made things much worse.

I never eat out because i have no clue what they are putting in the food.
I agree about the milk though. Nothing like grass fed unpasturized milk. It may be 6 something a gallon but at least i know whats in it (and not).

I still remember the first time i ate dinner (at home of course)and went out right afterwards without worrying about being near a bathroom...pure bliss!
Posted 3/12/2014 5:57 PM (GMT 0)
"It's pretty much impossible to eat a high fat, high cholesterol diet in "civilized" countries these days."

Do you actually believe what you type? Can I have an example of a civilized country because I don't live in one. The amount of fat,carbs and protein in fast food and most chain restaurant meals is far beyond what is healthy and many people are eating the same way at home if they ever eat at home. Too many calories.

Just for the record my grandparents were born in the late 1880s. They may have eaten a diet with a higher percentage of calories from animal fat but I bet they ate much less animal fat than most Americans do today. Portion size. You got one little scoop of ice cream when I was young and 1/2 lb bacon burgers with cheese did not exist. If you got fat, your parents didn't feed you. Coke came in a tiny bottle and a large drink was 10-12 ozs. Even if you wanted to eat like a pig, most people couldn't afford that much food.

Evidence is already piling up that a high protein diet, just like high carbs and fat, is not good for you. The thing that gets missed about vegetable based diet excluding processed foods, being proposed by many nutritionists today, is that it is a low calorie diet and isn't high in carbs, fat or protein. It is hard to eat too much and it is natural and nutrient rich. Diets that claim eating lots of carbs, protein, or fats while excluding one or both of the other guys are fad diets. They have been around for years,keep coming back and nobody seems to learn.
Posted 3/12/2014 6:36 PM (GMT 0)
The documetary "fat sick and nearly dead" is a great example of how you can eat all the fruits and veggies you want and maintain a healthy weight and not starve or be hungry.
We literally are starving our bodies of nutrition on a daily basis with our western diet and then we turn to modern medicine to cure our self inflicted diseases. Its not necessarily out of ignorance but more a marketing strategy to make us consume more at the cost of our health. Most people dont even realize it untill its too late.
Cheap food is just that CHEAP!
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