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Posted 3/20/2014 4:50 AM (GMT 0)
Yeah, I was literally sitting down to have a glass of Kefir Milk and take my Ultimate Flora Probiotic before bed and stumbled on this:

Pathogenic relevance of Lactobacillus: a retrospective review of over 200 cases
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15599646

I can't find the full paper but the Springer preview says this:
"The most common lacto bacteria isolated from infection were casei, rhamnosus and plantarum"

I'm pretty darn sure I just swallowed a whole bunch of all of these! haha

It does mention they are opportunistic in immuno-compromised individuals. Never came across this before. Has anyone else?

I will say that now that I think about it, when I was flaring a year ago, I always had an intense reaction to to much of certain lacto bacteria. Like home made SCD yogurt from starter with a variety of lacto bacteria just killed me in a big way. Now being in remission I seem to have no issue with them.

I think OM maybe has quite the reaction as well.
Posted 3/20/2014 5:02 AM (GMT 0)
Huh,

Lactobacillemia: an emerging cause of infection in both the immunocompromised and the immunocompetent host. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2640534/?tool=pubmed

Maybe I'll cut back on the lacto containing probiotics. Haha
Posted 3/20/2014 5:06 AM (GMT 0)
Cautions about Probiotics
www.naturalstandard.com/news/news201001089.asp#
Posted 3/20/2014 8:29 AM (GMT 0)
I have definitely come across warnings for probiotics before - and fungicemia if taking s boulardii when immuno compromised. I know that when I tried probiotics when my colon was torn apart with c diff the reaction was dreadful but as soon as things had healed they helped.
Posted 3/20/2014 10:31 AM (GMT 0)
Sure do Mark:

Have mentioned it a few times,I first found out about it back in the day when VSL#3 first came out.

Had a bad reaction to them,then I started to research it.

Then you might remember my bad experience with lacto fermented pickles last summer.

Then we have some people with a bad reaction to FT.

Then we have some people like my good friend Probiotic who is on this forum.

At one point he was dong shock and awe to his colon, like 80 bucks a day worth of probiotic pills.

Did not bother him,would have killed me.

Old Mike

Posted 3/20/2014 7:20 PM (GMT 0)
"However, probiotics may pose risks to people with intestinal damage, a weakened immune system or overgrowth of intestinal bacteria. In people with intestinal damage, any bacteria present in the gut may have the ability to get into the bloodstream through tears in the intestines and cause serious infection. In people with a weakened immune system, the body is less equipped to fight an infection if one should occur in conjunction with probiotic use. There have also been case reports of lactobacillemia (systemic infection with L. acidophilus) including infections of the heart valves. These occurred in individuals who already had an infection related to overgrowth of intestinal bacteria."

This is the issue.....especially if not being treated for above conditions.
Maybe enteric coated is the way to go rather than any powder forms?
Maybe adding proper fibre to diets to help balance bacterial imbalance is also a plus....
Many factors....


q
Posted 3/20/2014 8:24 PM (GMT 0)
You could suggest some probiotic special? I still do not start taking them, I do not know where to start? I live in Colombia, but I would find them.
Posted 3/20/2014 11:43 PM (GMT 0)
Most every sword has two edges. I guess H. pylori is a beneficial bacteria in addition to causing ulcers.

news.ninemsn.com.au/health/2014/02/25/18/44/nobel-prize-winner-leads-allergy-research
Posted 3/21/2014 12:56 AM (GMT 0)
Huh, thanks AZ. Imagine that... I was just at a friends on mine's birthday party and a swear the whole night long all people did was talk about their kids various allergies. I'll make sure to let them know to follow up on it.

I was also just reading that about lacto bacteria being beneficial in balancing in the gut of cystic fibrosis patients where it said intestinal inflammation is the hallmark of that particular disease even though it manifests in the lungs.
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