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Posted 5/9/2014 3:26 AM (GMT 0)
I got my self probiotics today. I followed my pharmacists recommendation about which kind to buy, he actually also showed me a few kinds that I should stay away from while I'm flaring telling these could make the D worse.

Here are the strains in mine : PROBIOTIC COMPLEX: Bifidobacterium bifidum, Bifidobacterium longum, Lactobacillus acidophilus, Lactobacillus bulgaricus, Lactobacillus casei, Lactobacillus rhamnosus, Streptococcus thermophilus.

Any of you that have more understanding than I have any thoughts about the strains included ?

P.S. I was pretty happy with the price.
Thank you,
Posted 5/9/2014 3:35 AM (GMT 0)
sounds like a good start.

What brand?

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Posted 5/9/2014 10:56 AM (GMT 0)
It is probaclac. It has 6.5 billion per capsule. It is od because in the Formulation is a little different in the US than in Canada.

Post Edited (Chantrelle99) : 5/9/2014 5:02:44 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/9/2014 12:16 PM (GMT 0)
VSL is the most well known probiotic for IBD and the most studied for IBD and was specifically formulated for IBD. Most of the strains in VSL are however the very same strains in many other probiotics. The only strain different in VSL which is not in many other probiotics is the Streptococcus thermophilus, so maybe you are on to something.
Posted 5/9/2014 12:24 PM (GMT 0)
I believe S. thermophilus is indeed in VSL #3 (both regular and double strength). Some brands like Garden of Life don't include it because it can get pathogenic and wreck havoc on other bacteria, particularly in those who are immune compromised. Regardless, I've never had an issue with it.
Posted 5/9/2014 1:38 PM (GMT 0)
Hey Chantrelle. Curious as to what probiotics your pharmacist said to stay away from while flaring? Do you recall?
Posted 5/9/2014 3:47 PM (GMT 0)
I dont like the streptoccous. But that's just me. I understand it is in all commercial yogurt.. still dont like it
Posted 5/9/2014 6:32 PM (GMT 0)
@ Cavalier

Sorry I don't recall the brands. But it was because he thought that they could up-set my colon and give my more D at first not that they were not good. I didn't ask much because I find probiotics are very complex.

He also recommended I start with 1/4 dose of what is recommended and increase by 1/4 per week for 4 weeks.
Posted 5/9/2014 6:36 PM (GMT 0)

garylouisville said...
The only strain different in VSL which is not in many other probiotics is the Streptococcus thermophilus, so maybe you are on to something.

If I don't find they help I will eventually try VSL. I don't know VSL cost but mine are reasonably priced. $27 for 30 capsules and it should be 2 a day.
Posted 5/9/2014 7:54 PM (GMT 0)
VSL has megadose CFU counts so it is more expensive than your probiotic but if you divide the cost by the number of CFU's VSL is actually cheaper. It just doesn't seem that way when you buy it.
Posted 5/10/2014 2:05 PM (GMT 0)
Chanterelle, reasonably priced but a FRACTION of the potency of vsl 3. 6 bill is how much I give my kids a day and they are very young.

I don't really like vsl3 I've seen strep go bad on 3 people now, 2 kids and one adult and the only thing they were taking was vsl3
Posted 5/14/2014 12:00 AM (GMT 0)
PathogeneKiller, what do you give your kids ?
Posted 5/14/2014 12:14 AM (GMT 0)
I get that probaclac only have 6.5 billion per capsule and VSL 450 billions. But is there any evidences we need so much as 450 billions ?

I would have thought that a total of 13 billion a day would have been enough ?
Am I wasting my money ?
Posted 5/14/2014 12:32 AM (GMT 0)
Either that or the 2 kids and 1 adult actually caught say ummm... strep throat or something because people tend to do that from time time ;) Will have Zero to do with VSL#3

Streptococcus thermophilus and Lactobacillus delbrueckii ssp. bulgaricus are simply the basic starter culture for almost all yogurts made for the last 100 years. Balkan or Greek yogurts I believe tend to have just these two as well and make for a very mild tasting yogurt. Great for cooking or eating plain.

From here producers tend to add things like Lactobacillus acidophilus and Bifo Bacteria - but these alter the flavour and give the product that characteristic "Holy cow that's sour!" reaction to plain, unsweetened probiotic yogurts.

PS - There's generally a bazillion times more live and active bacteria in almost any commercial yogurt.

I take probiotics cause well... I'm not sure. I've convinced myself I need them for some unknown reason. They seem to help. Aside from what's in my signature, I also take Renew Life 100 Billion for the L. plantarum.

@Chantrelle - Since you're in Canada you may want to try L. Reuteri from Shoppers Drug Mart. They sell it under the brand name BioGia. It's inexpensive and a few people have seen a bit of help from it on here. You have to go to the pharmacy counter and ask for it cause they keep it in the fridge. It's $29 for a bottle. If you remember next time you go in ask the pharmacist about it perhaps.


EDIT - I'm not sure anyone knows how much is needed in Billions... Again I think we sort of just convince ourselves that we think we need it... Home made SCD yogurt I believe has a little over 700 billion per cup of yogurt if that means anything to anyone.

Post Edited (Canada Mark) : 5/13/2014 6:36:42 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 5/14/2014 12:47 AM (GMT 0)
I really don't think 13 bill is enough when you have dysbiosis. Maybe for maintenance. I give them enzymatic therapy pearls and Udo's.

I don't think you are wasting your money just that you may see better results at higher numbers.
Posted 5/14/2014 10:50 PM (GMT 0)
Thank you for your replies CM and PK ;)

CM I will look for the kind you suggested me for my next purchase.
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