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Posted 1/29/2015 2:08 AM (GMT 0)
After trying to introduce more fruits/veg in to my diet (one at a time) and failing miserably with each one(diarrhea for a day or two) I finally gave up, stuck to the few veggies I can eat and eat mostly meats and white crappy flour things (breads, cake, etc) and found the guts would even tolerate other junky things like plain chips, occasional soda etc. no issues with these things. I recently decided that if I'm doomed to eating junk I should at least try some vitamins. I've previously tried just about every single multivitamin out there and they all upset my guts and make me sick. So, I've been taking vitamin D for a few months now(Dr said I was super deficient) and that went off without any issue. I figured I'd try B next, since IBD sufferers tend to be low in B's and D's. Well, first day, no problem, second day huge poop, like, bowel emptying poop, I brushed it off as a one off. Next day THREE of these giant dumps(I don't usually poop large amounts, this was a big change for me) next day, same thing, next day cramping, mushy poo, bright yellow...stopped taking the B vitamins... Still pooping terribly, lots of gas/cramps.....aaaand now I'm on to diarrhea. Lovely. I try to do something good for my stupid failing body and this is what I get. Eating chips and drinking soda, no, that's fine. I'm convinced my body's trying to kill me. It's ok with me helping by eating junk, but trying to heal or nourish my body with fruit or vitamins? Hell NO, not on my watch rolleyes stupid ridiculous body. Oh, did I mention I'm going on vacation and flying soon?! Argh. Sorry, no real question here.... More of a rant. mad
Posted 1/29/2015 2:25 AM (GMT 0)
Unless you were taking too much B, this is hard to imagine. If it is not coincidence, you must have an odd microbiome.
Posted 1/29/2015 2:28 AM (GMT 0)
That really sucks.

A few years back I would dread eating even a small amount of vegetables or fruits, in fear that they might aggravate my UC. It took a while, but it seems now I can tolerate a good amount of roughage. Perhaps it might be the same for you.

It's possible your body is missing the flora to process and digest veggies and fruits. I know my body was adapted for the standard american diet and preferred McDonalds to real food. Perhaps the addition of fermented foods, digestive enzymes, probiotics, raw milk kefir, soil based organisms and resistant starches might ease the process for you. I think that is what helped me to tolerate all fruits and veggies today.

Best.
Posted 1/29/2015 2:41 AM (GMT 0)
Other than the vitamin D, do you know you were deficient in the other vitamins? You may have just assumed it but it might not have been true. Sorry things are going like this. Fruits are high in histamines, the riper the fruit, the higher the histamines. Some veggies also are high in histamines. Don't believe you actually listed which ones you were talking about. I know high histamine foods get me until I started taking the DAO. Can't say this is your problem but it is possible. Sorry you've gotten worse. Hope things turn around soon.
Posted 1/29/2015 2:42 AM (GMT 0)

DBwithUC said...
Unless you were taking too much B, this is hard to imagine. If it is not coincidence, you must have an odd microbiome.



The most common side effects of taking b complex are:Diarrhea; dizziness; headache; stomach upset- that's in normal people. I've also read a few sources that say use caution in people with ulcers or ulcerative colitis(says uc specifically but made no mention of Crohn's which I found odd). Apparently it can cause irritation to the guts. In normal people it usually last only a few days-a week to adjust. I'm not sure my colon is adjusting....but just getting more irritated cry just thought I'd mention in case others Google this and are thinking of taking b's too. But yes, it is possible I'm taking too much, or at least too much for me. I'm taking a b 50 complex, maybe it would have been ok if I'd started low and worked up but these were capsules and couldn't even break apart if I had thought of it.

Guardian- interesting info, thank you. Perhaps I will try some experimentation with these things before trying to add fruit/veg again. After my vacation though. Lesson learned-change nothing before vacation! I just hope I can restore to my level of pooping I had before I dabbled in the b vitamins.

Thanks Gary. I think I will try when I'm back from vacation. Histamines are very possibly the problem. I will do a bit of reading and see if the ones affecting me are high in histamines.
Posted 1/29/2015 2:49 AM (GMT 0)
My gut also defies logic and has hated many healthy foods (fruit, fruit juices, fiber, etc) and likes what some people call unhealthy (french fries haha). I obey the gut and my cholesterol actually went down and I have fewer distressing UC symptoms when the gut is obeyed.

There may be something in the B vitamins your gut doesn't like, maybe the filler/binder or something else. I haven't taken vitamins in years but I make green juice from kale and collards and add carrot juice and a very little red grape juice. Since my gut dislikes fiber it's a way to get those vitamins in.

I've heard Rainbow vitamins are good quality even though I don't use them.
By the way meat has quite a few vitamins and minerals.
Posted 1/29/2015 3:11 AM (GMT 0)
Thats interesting - I just had blood work done and was told I was super deficient in Vitamin D too - on whatever scale I got a 10 and normal is like 25. When I asked if this was common with people with UC theys aid no..

really don't know what to believe anymore
Posted 1/29/2015 1:41 PM (GMT 0)
Don't listen to anything that anyone tells you. Do the research yourself on every single question. There is much evidence that many UC'rs are low on Vitamin D and also that those living in areas with less sunshine (and therefore less vitamin D) have more incidence of UC. Sometimes the doctors are as dumb as a box of rocks. Verify everything they tell you on your own because they can often be wrong on what they tell you.
Posted 1/29/2015 3:50 PM (GMT 0)
I have found somewhere that people with uc can have problems with b6
i meant taking it can cause problems

Post Edited (funnyplay) : 1/29/2015 9:22:38 AM (GMT-7)

Posted 1/29/2015 4:06 PM (GMT 0)
What I've came to realize over the years is that correlation doesn't equal causation. Figuring out what foods/supplements/medications, etc. cause problems or don't cause problems isn't a documentable process of elimination. The disease and the way it affects the body (or at least mine) is completely unpredictable. What worked yesterday might not work today, and vice versa. It really sucks, but sometimes I got lucky and had a few months of consistency.
Posted 1/29/2015 4:47 PM (GMT 0)
There's a lot of truth to that. I can't tell you how many times I ate something and immediately had UC problems for the next couple of hours and then the very next day I would purposely eat the exact same thing and turn around and have a better day than normal. Sometimes foods effect you immediately. Sometimes your problems are caused by the meal before your last meal and sometimes it is the combination of different things which give you problems. Figuring out how to decipher it all is sometimes a fruitless task which can give you erroneous information..
Posted 1/30/2015 6:37 AM (GMT 0)
Didnt read all the responses... but did want to add: during the worst of my flare my husband had a theory that eating absolute crap would not bother my guts (I was having mostly broths and mashed potatoes at this point, lol.)

So we went to McDonalds where I order a double cheese burger and a mcchicken.
Later that day instead of my usual liquid only poo - I had squiggles! Little squiggley poos!

I couldn't bring myself to eat that crap all the time... but on days when I finally NEEDED to just EAT something besides bland crap - I could order anything off the Dollar Menu and manage to not crap myself that day.

So. Weird.

**hugs**
Posted 1/31/2015 1:35 AM (GMT 0)
Hi embers! Nice to see you and your barbie butt in this neck of the woods smilewinkgrin

That's pretty funny about the McDonald's. I don't dare try the arches specifically, but I hear what you're saying. I sure do envy anyone who can eat the way they want, though I resent those who have healthy guts and stuff them full of crap. Quit wasting good guts! Lol.

Cheers.
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