Have you benefited from UC?

I don't see it that way. I see it as some people not thinking the pain is a big deal. It's not because of mind over matter, it's because they are realistic and realize that birthing a baby is natural and shouldn't require medication. Plus, it isn't on-going pain, it's pretty short-lived in the bigger picture - and you get a baby out of it, which for some people, makes their entire life worth living. I was actually an unmedicated birth and my mom is definitely not a mentally higher individual practicing some type of experience shifting. She's one of the most provincial people I've known. I am sure it was for her own benefit in fact. Wanted to get out of the hospital faster or something along those lines...

I can't deal with this guy anymore.

Imagine actually arguing that pain isn't a big deal: I can't take anyone seriously who thinks that way. I'm speaking as somebody who spent literally years talking down my Crohn's pain by the way. I won't do it anymore. And anybody who tries doing it to me - if I could pass on my pain to you, I would. You're so good at dealing with pain: you have it.

NiceCupOfTea said...
I can't deal with this guy anymore.

Imagine actually arguing that pain isn't a big deal: I can't take anyone seriously who thinks that way. I'm speaking as somebody who spent literally years talking down my Crohn's pain by the way. I won't do it anymore. And anybody who tries doing it to me - if I could pass on my pain to you, I would.

I meant that the pain of childbirth comes and then it's gone. Many, many people get through it - and before hospitals and medication people survived. Many animals experience and get through it too... I didn't mean that pain in general isn't a big deal. I couldn't tolerate the pain I was dealing with. There was no end in sight. It was a very big deal.

Chicken Wings said...
We basically construct our versions of reality in our heads.

Yep, there's a reality out there, and we are not privy to it. Each of us does not interact with reality but a highly filtered, customized, internally created version of it. We are reacting to our perceptions and judgements, not the "world out there". And the world out there changes based on what we think about it.

knowing that any thoughts I have about the experience are mental noise that do not have to be believed if they are not serving me.

That we cannot know true reality, only an internally customized version of it, sounds very much like Immanuel Kant's Transcendentalism. Maybe zengirl knows what you are talking about but I sure don't, and I don't think most members here at HW understand either.

I'm with NCOT, that pain is pain is pain. But if there are some people out there who are curious about what Chicken Wings might be trying to say then there is a really good video out there, topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-primacy-of-consciousness/. Or maybe just watch the move The Matrix starring Keanu Reeves LoL.

Thanks guys for sharing your positive experiences. It's lovely to see.

To others ... I am so sorry to hear about the pain you have been experiencing and the suffering that you are going through. I can sympathize and understand to a degree, but I am fortunate enough to be feeling well right at this very moment, and I have not tried to do anything except share some perspectives I have found useful, some ideas you may find interesting, and some facts about the way physical suffering and mental suffering interact and are both influenced by each other. I'm sorry if that came across to any of you as me saying that pain is no big deal (I wouldn't say that - I actually said that the mother thinking pain wasn't a big deal and going through the birth med-free is exactly what I was talking about when I was mentioning the way our experience of pain is to some degree mentally created - and on the hypnobirthing note, the point is that you do not feel any pain, not that you feel bad pain but can grin and bear it enough to survive.)

Guys, the number of tangents and small remarks that have blown up into larger discussions have sometimes confused me, but I hope you understand I am not saying that your pain isn't real or that you should grin and bear it. I am just, with positive intent, sharing some things that have helped me to stay in a very good mental space even in the presence of horrible symptoms.

I have never had physical pain from UC (lots of past mental anguish, worry, fear) but struggle to find any "benefit" from getting it.
Best I can do:
1. More empathy for people with invisible chronic conditions they don't tell people about
2. Being grateful for feeling better now than I was 5 years ago (is that a benefit? probably not)
3. Grateful it's not cancer or Crohn's (surgery not possible as for UC) or any of a thousand other worse diseases. (again is this a benefit? doubtful)

UC sucks. Seeking a benefit from it seems like Stockholm syndrome.

Oh chickenwings.... patronising to boot.... being sorry to hear about the pain of others and can only empathise to a point because you are feeling so good at the moment and wanted to spew a few philosophies instead?

Your arrogance is believing we would love to hear philosophies because you have acceptance when you crap your pants. Wrong warm feeling methinks.

When you actually become enlightened.....reread your thread and realise how little you have actually grown.

q

no

ruined a good portion of my life and it continues to ruin more of my life.

This disease shattered dreams.

I had surgery last year for a parastomal hernia. It has returned. I have had three blockages in the last few months. I am currently on Oxicodone round the clock. I'm sorry but the hernia, blockages and the pain are not mind created. I wish they were, then maybe I could magically wish them away, but they're not.

I get some laughs from soystuds comments.
Some of the stuff I post might help someone.
I won't have iron build up in my body as I get older.
I keep the toilet paper companies in business.
I have just worn out another bathroom exhaust fan, keeps that company in business.
Otherwise the disease sucks.
Old Mike

UCHealer said...
no

ruined a good portion of my life and it continues to ruin more of my life.

This disease shattered dreams.

Somebody said...

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Tearfully, I have to 2nd this.

Quincy in attack mode again and never moderated by the mods, whattsup w/ that?