Ulcerative Colitis a pre existing condition according to Trump & the Repugs

It's pure greed that they only want to cover healthy people. Like beatUC said, none of them are going broke. iPoop is right. It shouldn't have anything to do with businesses and profits. It should be like public education - which I personally would put on the chopping block before healthcare. Healthcare is something every person needs. Not everyone needs/uses public education.

Most people disagree with my views, but I feel like, if you can't get off the toilet, who cares if you're educated. We need both.

ks1905 said...
NSSG,

Don't forget that we have institutional & structural racism. Not ever person in our society receive compable health and education. Universal healthcare would help with some of that, it's not perfect but it will help.

Spot on! Finally getting to some real issues here.

WE the health compromised are probably the most vulnerable in society, although it bothers me to think of myself like that. Regardless, we must be strong on these issues and get together for strength & dignity especially now. This was not a choice, but here we all are in huge numbers...

The situation is that there is no right answer, only opinions. Some people think that if you can't afford to raise children, that you shouldn't have children. That means, if you can't afford education and you don't have insurance, maybe parenthood is not a responsible path to pursue. This is a country built on capitalist principles, not on socialist. If people don't like that, maybe they should look into moving elsewhere. Then pursue citizenship and potentially raise kids in this ideal situation you dream of. It's that or sit back and whine and hope that someday everyone gets on the same page here, but the page they want to get on isn't "american" in some senses. I am not saying this is how I feel, I am giving the other side of the coin. I try to stay middle of the road and see both sides. Anyway, this is all probably getting too political, and will be against the terms of service if people blow up and call each other names, and I am sure that's right around the corner. So please keep it respectful so it doesn't get locked.

Yes, I am aware of that. The reason I brought it up is because things usually start deteriorating at a certain point and I'd like to try to avoid that

Of course not. I can't stand that man, but that's not the point. The point is, if it gets nasty, it will be locked. That is all.

DutchessCountyJim said...
Interesting how, for the most part, the "small govt." "stand on your own 2 feet" voters come from the most dependent states. Dependent states (states that receive more in federal funds than they contribute) vote against their own best interests. Do they realize how much they are helped by the 14 or so donor states(states that contribute more in federal taxes than they receive)? Do they realize that big money from donor states like NY,NJ,CALIF,DEL,CT,ILL,MASS,and TX. is helping them?

It's similar in the UK too; the poorest regions that have been most decimated by years of Tories underfunding have switched from being mainly Labour voters to UKIP/Conservative ones. In our recent local council elections, Labour councils got slaughtered while the Tories cleaned up - there is almost certainly going to be a repeat of this on the 8th June when we have our general election.

In so far as anyone has been able to make out what it's all about, people are protesting because they don't like Labour. Or, in towns that have a 99.5% white demographic, immigrants. Re the first point, there are many valid reasons to be disillusioned with Labour, but the fact that remains that out of two unpalatable options, Labour is still by far the best option for the poor - or, if not Labour, then Lib Dem or Greens. Literally anyone except Conservatives or UKIP (lol, joke party is on the way out). If you're poor, on benefits or in a low-paid job, rely heavily on the NHS and other public services, then voting for Tories is like turkeys voting for Christmas. Millions are gonna do it though.

On another note, it frustrates decent middle class people too. I know one guy who works in the NHS, he's been defending it staunchly for years. But he posted today about how as long as people keep on voting for the Tories but complaining about waiting times, the more he was thinking about jacking it in and going to work abroad.

beatUC said...
There has been no name calling & its been totally respectful. The most American thing is to gather together and affect change, that is what has made the country a great idea. We the most effected by healthcare should get ourselves together in voting blocks and instead of screaming in town hall meetings, vote these people out who would take our medical insurance away while exempting themselves from the very laws they make.

Amen. People sure like to wag their tongues about things they don't like in public policy but when it comes to organizing and turning out to vote... not so much. ESPECIALLY in the midterm (and local) elections. Gotta put our money where our mouth is.

noodlesnoodles said...
I'd agree it tends to play out as an unforgiving do or die system for the past several decades, but it is by no means the way our country was built.

No, right from the start our country was built by taking what wasn't ours (is that capitalism ?).

No matter how wrong we have been in the past, and at times that has been heinously wrong, we can still make humane and loving decisions TODAY. And as the leader of the free world, we should be.

I sure hope I live to see us do that.....and I sure hope this preexisting conditions thing never see the light of day.

EDIT: oops, I am really new to posting here, noodles didn't say what I have in my quote there, but that's obvious....

Post Edited (ArtsyFartsy) : 5/13/2017 2:35:44 PM (GMT-6)

It just seems that the rich walk all over the poor no matter what country, sad. Why people vote against their own best interest puzzles me greatly...

Please go easy on NSSG, nothing wrong with moderating as it's what we're here to do. This thread has been political and we're letting it slide thus far, just keep it civil.

When I say that people vote against their own interests, I don't mean they deliberately say to themselves, "I'm going to vote for the party which is going to most screw me over in the next four years." But they do vote for the party which is going to most screw them over, and I reckon there's two main reasons for that. 1) They're more scared of the opposition due to, e.g. years of Daily Fail propaganda succeeding in persuading them that the Labour party are hardcore communists who are going to make them pay 95% taxes and let in a bajillion immigrants, 2) They want to stick two fingers up to the 'establishment', whether that's Europe, Labour, the Democrats or some other shady metropolitan elite. They think they have nothing to lose anyway (only they do).

This was floating around Twitter today, this guy was at a Town Hall last week confronting congressman MacArthur (the congressman made us all Preexisting conditions with his admendment) OMG I've never seen anything like this in my life; MUST SEE: /youtu.be/ha8gSfj0Yn0

He's like my hero, I want him to run for congress.

It's edited down into a 5 minute clip but was originally over 12 minute, I think the guy dropped the mic and walked out at the end.

sfc425 said...

noodlesnoodles said...


Amen. People sure like to wag their tongues about things they don't like in public policy but when it comes to organizing and turning out to vote... not so much. ESPECIALLY in the midterm (and local) elections. Gotta put our money where our mouth is.

I've spent just about every weekend (and many weekdays) since November canvassing, strategizing, protesting and being an activist for healthcare.

Just for what it's worth: Adam Smith, in his advocacy for the origins of capitalism often mentioned the "invisible hand" that is welfare for those who need help. I'd agree it tends to play out as an unforgiving do or die system for the past several decades, but it is by no means the way our country was built.

Glad to hear it sfc425! If there is one good thing to come of recent political events, it is that it has really mobilized some groups of people and that is very encouraging to see. It's contagious, I believe, so keep up the good work.