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Posted 7/6/2017 11:17 PM (GMT 0)
My flare is now calm.

I feel great.

Coming off budesonide caused a horrible rebound effect in which I needed the bathroom 20 times a day. Today, I've gone twice.

I can only attribute it to the turmeric and ginger and bone broth.
Posted 7/7/2017 3:13 AM (GMT 0)
Simply-

Thanks for the post. Ive lately been on a boswellia/curcumin attempt but like the ginger idea.. One question, maybe I should just re read it all but forgive me (I have UC, i.e. no sleep or patience, you can empathize).. So Im looking at a large syringe and 60 ml is 2 oz, thats a LOT of juice it seems, I just juiced a single thumb sized piece, all I had, and it was maybe 10 ml tops, but spicy, as you say, even in water and stevia.. So you actually drink 100ml of this stuff?? daily? Seems an awful lot but I guess Ill buy a bunch of ginger next time Im out...
Posted 7/7/2017 9:56 AM (GMT 0)
50ml daily. Only if I have gone a while without drinking my tea, I'll fix a 30oz tumbler of water and mix in 100ml, but I will sip on that for about 4 hours. Yes, I buy a lot of ginger. 50ml is essentially a single shot glass worth of juice (44ml).
Posted 7/7/2017 11:07 AM (GMT 0)
Ok, I was taking 2 tablespoons which is 30 ml, mix into a say 1/2 cup of water and shoot it down.
Perhaps that acts differently than sipping over 4 hours.
I started this back in Jan when I first found the paper.

Anyhow from your measurements of 60ml juice / 80 grams ginger, that is .75ml/gram,
so need about 133g of root for 100ml of juice.
133 grams is a little over 1/4 pound of ginger, this way you know how much to buy.

You need a good shredding/centrifugal juicer to extract the juice.

I started out just chopping the ginger, not juicing but that gave me lots of gas from the fiber,
the juice did not as I recall.

If you search around the web and even this site there are people who achieve remission using
ginger.

Old Mike
Posted 7/7/2017 3:17 PM (GMT 0)
Old Mike> I had read the same threads and stories but there really wasn't a standard for consuming ginger. Some people were cooking it, drying it, steeping it in boiling water, buying supplements. That's why I set out to learn how to prepare, store and consume it for best efficacy and safety. I have not linked the research I did about safe quantities of ginger, but I felt that my level of consumption was at a safe level. The rest of the info linked answers how ginger helps and how to best maximize it's effectiveness in my opinion.

I'm sorry you are still struggling and I know this won't work for everyone, but it felt like a dirty little secret I was keeping to myself for the last six months.
Posted 7/7/2017 11:16 PM (GMT 0)
Simplys>Thanks but dont worry about me struggling, this is year 37.
My stools are much better on Selenium.

Old Mike
Posted 7/7/2017 11:51 PM (GMT 0)
I have completely eliminated my flare.

My method is simple. I take a large know of ginger, a handful of fresh turmeric root and a half a cucumber. I juice it. It's between six and eight ounces of juice.

Then, I put the juice in a NutriBullet. I add a tablespoon of coconut oil to Add lipids to make it more bioavailable.

I emulsify.

Then, I drink it down on an empty stomach with not down there but my Apriso.

If you don't like spicy stuff, it's probably tough.

For me it is a huge treat. I'd rather drink it than almost anything.
Posted 7/8/2017 10:54 AM (GMT 0)
@ jerseyguy1, How do you know the end of the flare isn't solely due to the Apriso (or to some of the other things you take in your sig line)?
Posted 7/8/2017 7:19 PM (GMT 0)
Hi,

what about making an enema from ginger juice to avoid systemic impact to the body.

What do you think?

Oligodar
Posted 7/8/2017 9:41 PM (GMT 0)
I don't absolutely know, MarjieKay.

I do what you do and I search this forum. I remember reading one of the veterans once say something like: The secret with this isn't any one magical thing. It's putting things together that work synergistically together.

I've been on the Apriso for a long time. So, that's not it, although I have no doubt it is a part of the solution.

I suspect given how you love to research and educate yourself that you've read the abstract of the Briggs Protocol. In short, Briggs says he's taking an everything and the kitchen sink approach.

That said my life went from awful to much better from the day I started doing this ginger and turmeric thing. The incidence of days went from
5 to 20 to three almost over night - as long as I have no dairy or gluten.

It's been bugging me what it tastes like and why I look forward to it every morning. Today, I tweaked it and used grass-fed ghee instead of coconut oil and - bam!!! It hit me! It reminds me of an Indian or even a Thai curry - something I haven't been able to have since getting colitis. Usually, recipes call for chillies which tear me up.

But, with turmeric and ginger root, it feels wonderful!

Oligodar, try the enema and let us know how it works!

But, my thinking on colitis is evolving. Yes, the inflammation presents for me and everyone else on this forum in the large intestine and the rectum - down below.

And, yet, the scientists are telling us that there are more given to problems of the gastric system and the small intestine - such as infection buy h. Pylori - than the population at large.

Certainly, work at both ends. But, don't neglect the top end.
Posted 7/8/2017 10:29 PM (GMT 0)
Haven't visited for a while and funny to see a ginger thread as I was just reading about "ginger bug" as a starter for homemade sodas today and thinking I must give it a try nourishedkitchen.com/ginger-bug/

I'm wondering what fermenting does, if it makes what is helping more bioavailable, I had some red cabbage sauerkraut last week fermented with ginger and lemon, tasted great and insides seemed to like it.

I was eating raw pieces of ginger when on my high dose of ciclosporine to combat the nausea it brought on - I came across an article later that ginger can reduce its bioavailablity /www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17080549 - so maybe the ginger helped in its own way and made up for the fact I was maybe decreasing my med dose without realising!

I do get pain from my hiatial hernia though if I have too much.
Posted 7/9/2017 12:07 PM (GMT 0)
Ahhh ok, jerseyguy.

In fairness, some of these medications (natural OR pharms) take awhile to work. Since you and I both tend to throw the kitchen sink at it---we will always be in a position of never being able to either prove or disprove what actually worked. Unless we isolate a few things and try them for a long enough period of time on their own.

I am thinking that for the long run, I won't be able to afford everything I am now trying, so isolation WILL happen at some point. I will drop them one at a time and watch. I actually have already pared myself down in hopes of getting a better picture of what DOES help and what can go.

I wish you all the luck in the world. I had a giant mug of ginger tea last night and it was delicious. It felt like a good thing to do. But I am also taking my meds, probiotics, vitamin C, Benefiber and who knows what else ;-)

Interesting on the interaction, London.....I will have to look into this. I had never heard ginger might cause other things to not be absorbed as well.....maybe need to think about timing on it?
Posted 7/9/2017 3:56 PM (GMT 0)

Oligodar said...
Hi,

what about making an enema from ginger juice to avoid systemic impact to the body.

What do you think?

Oligodar

Not gonna lie, that does not sound fun. I wouldn't put anything in an enema that a doctor didn't sign off on first.
Posted 7/9/2017 4:20 PM (GMT 0)
That was just an idea. I got inspired by this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkvsdzT-vVw

Se claims to heal her Crohn using mangosteen enemas.
Posted 7/9/2017 4:33 PM (GMT 0)

simplys said...

nourse said...
Hey Simply,

Thank you for sharing your experience. Perhaps I missed it. I'm also extraordinarily tired from a very unexpected and severe flare up the past few days and not thinking good. Would you be willing to share a blow by blow account of how you make this tea? Either here or pm me?

It is worth noting that I started drinking this when I was having 4 BMs a day, urgency, gut pain but with minimal blood, no fever and no malaise. If your colon is inflamed, you may need to get it under control first. I have not tried using ginger to induce remission mid-flare, but rather when trying to improve and maintain remission.

Also, please read the health cautions above. Too much ginger, or other medications and conditions, can cause serious complications.

I blend about a handful of ginger, extract the juices, and mix 50ml of the juice with 10oz of water that is no hotter than 70deg centigrade, then add honey for taste. You can use more water to dilute the ginger if its too spicy.

Thanks for the caution. I am currently having diarrhea , severe abdominal cramping sometimes, although no blood....am taking low level steroids and more immodium than I am comfortable to stop the diarrhea and go to work. So am not sure exactly when would be a safe time to try this. (of course will check this out with current medications too).

I am curious what type of juicer you use. I have a cheaper type of juicer....good for my carrots and apples...sometimes I've thrown in raw tumeric and ginger....not sure it would suffice for this. Also have a mini blender I guess similar to a bullet....would that work for the ginger juicing? So you get (don't know milliliters) fair quantity of juice, throw it in with some water...and drink it down....every morning. What makes you feel this particular remedy caused a remission, or apparent good health versus anything else you do? Thank you for your time. Also, do you follow a special diet?
Posted 7/9/2017 4:38 PM (GMT 0)

Eph said...
Nourse,

Here is my step by step ginger tea process:

1) Buy 1lb ginger
2) Peel it and chop it into small pieces with knife or chopper (I like mine minced). This yields about 12oz of minced ginger.
3) Add ginger to 6 cups water and 3 cups sugar and bring to boil (the ratio is 4oz ginger to 2 cups water and 1 cup sugar)
4) Simmer for 45 minutes
5) Strain ginger out of syrup, but keep the cooked ginger. It is yummy - like candy! Store both in fridge. The minced ginger only lasts about a week.
6) Each evening, I add about 1 tablespoon of syrup and 1-2 tablespoons of the cooked ginger to a large mug and fill with water. Heat in microwave and let steep for a few minutes with a plate over the mug.
7) Enjoy the result! I scoop out the ginger from the tea as I drink it. Fantastic! But, I like spicy food.

Eph,
Thank you for your share to me a few days ago...just getting around to responses. I am curious as you've been in remission a little bit. What do you think caused your remission? (although for me UC is so mysterious even in this regard). A friend just started encouraging me to take cucumerin regularly....in pill form, but now the whole ginger issue is up. I know when I made just simple ginger teas in a big pot on the stove and dipped out of it all day it was soothing. Then forgot about it! I don't seem to be able to keep up with everything.

Note: Since I drink this every night, I substitute much of the sugar with a stevia blend from a brand called Pyure. It is "baking ready" and can be used at the same ratios as sugar.

Eph

Posted 7/9/2017 4:47 PM (GMT 0)

Old Mike said...
Ok, I was taking 2 tablespoons which is 30 ml, mix into a say 1/2 cup of water and shoot it down.
Perhaps that acts differently than sipping over 4 hours.
I started this back in Jan when I first found the paper.

Anyhow from your measurements of 60ml juice / 80 grams ginger, that is .75ml/gram,
so need about 133g of root for 100ml of juice.
133 grams is a little over 1/4 pound of ginger, this way you know how much to buy.

You need a good shredding/centrifugal juicer to extract the juice.

I started out just chopping the ginger, not juicing but that gave me lots of gas from the fiber,
the juice did not as I recall.

If you search around the web and even this site there are people who achieve remission using

First of all, you cut off the outsides of the ginger with a knife first, right? Then after that juice it? Do you just happen to have any good tips on a "good shredding, centrifugal juicer to extract the juice"? I am very interested but a bit stuck on this part. Also simply made a good point this is not good if one really in a flare, which I am.
ginger.

Old Mike

Posted 7/9/2017 5:04 PM (GMT 0)

jerseyguy1 said...
I don't absolutely know, MarjieKay.

I do what you do and I search this forum. I remember reading one of the veterans once say something like: The secret with this isn't any one magical thing. It's putting things together that work synergistically together.

I've been on the Apriso for a long time. So, that's not it, although I have no doubt it is a part of the solution.

I suspect given how you love to research and educate yourself that you've read the abstract of the Briggs Protocol. In short, Briggs says he's taking an everything and the kitchen sink approach.

That said my life went from awful to much better from the day I started doing this ginger and turmeric thing. The incidence of days went from
5 to 20 to three almost over night - as long as I have no dairy or gluten.

It's been bugging me what it tastes like and why I look forward to it every morning. Today, I tweaked it and used grass-fed ghee instead of coconut oil and - bam!!! It hit me! It reminds me of an Indian or even a Thai curry - something I haven't been able to have since getting colitis. Usually, recipes call for chillies which tear me up.

But, with turmeric and ginger root, it feels wonderful!

Oligodar, try the enema and let us know how it works!

But, my thinking on colitis is evolving. Yes, the inflammation presents for me and everyone else on this forum in the large intestine and the rectum - down below.

And, yet, the scientists are telling us that there are more given to problems of the gastric system and the small intestine - such as infection buy h. Pylori - than the population at large.

Certainly, work at both ends. But, don't neglect the top end.

I hope I'm not asking too many people too many questions in one post. I'm laying here so sick...after being able to work hard all week , so this is what I get to finally put some energy into . Clarifying question...so were you able to go from a pretty strong flare-up to non flare with this method? If yes, how long did it take? I just went in strong flare but not the extensive BM's....why? One. I'm taking small dose of steroids which finally kick in in after take in the morning Two: first time in my life I'm taking immodium...this morning two...usually one was working....no more. I don't like taking immodium....but this particular flare...when have diarrhea and it passes through this one exact spot 5" below my belly button....and it hurts - between a 1 and 10, its at a 10 and i just can't take it. The pain is new to me, at least in the past 4 years. So mainly could you go from a yucky flare up with this ginger numeric method to calmness?

Do you cut the fibrous outsides of the roots before juicing? What kind of juicer do you use? I'm asking everyone that...I'm ready to go buy a juicer. Thanks for your help and I am glad you are doing well. Its no small feat.
Posted 7/9/2017 5:19 PM (GMT 0)
Nourse, thanks for the questions.

I have a Breville.

I started with a Jack LaLanne - because he was so awesome! But, his juicer sucks.

My Breville juices anything.

No, I don't cut off anything. I just throw the turmeric and ginger into the juicer with half a Cucumber and juice!

Then, I whip it with a colitis-friendly fat like grass-fed ghee or coconut oil to increase the bioavailability. Then, I drink it down!

BAM!!!

So yummy!
Posted 7/9/2017 6:06 PM (GMT 0)
jersey guy 1

Thank you, thank you, thank you, shopping now.
Posted 7/9/2017 7:42 PM (GMT 0)
Spoiler alert: a lot of mice died.

Sign me up!

What did the mice die of? I'm not paying to read the article.
Posted 7/9/2017 7:59 PM (GMT 0)
You are most welcome!
Posted 7/9/2017 8:39 PM (GMT 0)
Just to make sure that I am being responsible, I want to make it clear that I am just a professor of history. I am not a doctor. I am only sharing what has worked for me.

I am juicing fresh ginger and turmeric root. I have not experienced any side effects.

That said, according to WebMD highly concentrated turmeric in powdered form over 1500 mg per day has in some people caused abnormal heart rhythms.
Posted 7/9/2017 9:26 PM (GMT 0)
Yes I have a nutritionist friend I wonder about...(she is new, studies a TON of studies, but no experience yet)....really wants me to take minimum of 2000 mg per day of the tumeric. I remember a doctor, who first suggested I start tumeric, warned me about taking too much and said most people don't realize it can be harmful. Of course didn't remember the numbers. Right now I'm taking Tumeric Supreme by Gaia....seems to have around 500 mg,,,nutritionist friend strongly believes that this form is better than the al natural form....I don't have a clue, but since I happened to have some started taking this.

I am really interested in the raw ginger juice (as long as my raw tumeric last will do that too)...ordered the blender, hopefully here Tuesday and can start Wed. Not sure if should...I don't have blood but sure have diarrhea and one person thought I should be in better shape to start these. Anyway, thanks for listening and helping.

As far as the possible down sides, I will study those. For me, its morbid but true....I've had uc a long time and when active I feel a brush of death. I do have to have regular liver, kidney tests done for the imuran....I'm not real worried about it....I'm not sure all my body has been through I have a long longevity in front of me. Seems common sense...basic wear and tear. Maybe really a ton of stress for so long is the biggest culprit.
Posted 7/9/2017 10:02 PM (GMT 0)
Please keep us in the loop, Nourse.

I can't be the only one here who gets concerned when you say things like, "I feel the brush of death" or that you do not feel like you have a lot of longevity in front of you.

Will you make me a promise as a friend?

Will you promise me that if you feel yourself slipping in any way you will immediately call the doctor?
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