Plant-based diet achieved 96% remission rate in UC at 1-year

Sara, before throwing accusations around (which others are doing as well), do you have data to back up that Beave doesn't know what he's talking about? Or that all-meat diet would be extremely unhealthy (for UC)?

Obviously nutritionists will tell you you need X amount of vitamins, fiber, etc. but why would all meat be unhealthy for getting you out of a UC flare? I have a coworker that has a mild case of UC and to get him out of a very mild flare he ate nothing but steak for breakfast, lunch, and dinner. He said his symptoms improved the most this way and eventually he was no longer flaring. He could then proceed with a more balanced diet.

What more data do you want me to share, Bull? It's almost as if you haven't read a single post I've made here. Beave just throws out crap he made up. I am not even sure who he is referring to yet you don't tell HIM to post HIS data...I'M supposed to refute it! Ridiculous.

Let's play nice folks. Consider this a warning, lock coming if I see more infighting.

I wasn't disputing the data you've posted regarding plant based diet pulling people out of flares. I asked for data when you said "Beave doesn't know what he's talking about (I've read his previous threads where he has posted his data which is why I didn't ask him), as well as data on how all meat pulling you out of a flare is worse than plant based doing so (Not for common people, for UC affected people in general). If you don't have that, then it's just anecdotal between people that post one vs. the other. People can try either or and see if it helps them.....

I'm not trying to attack you or anyone else, I just always prefer to see data before someone calls BS on anything. The beauty about UC is that it's so individualized that some people find "miracles" that aren't supported by data or research, but if it works for you great. Diet didn't do anything for me (granted, I didn't try pure plant based, but I cut out sugar, gluten, soy, dairy for months). But personally I'd rather have no colon like I do now and be able to eat whatever I want than be miserable every time I'm with others because I can't eat this or that. But I wouldn't want to persuade anyone not to try a certain diet if they feel like it may help.

oh wait, i'm a vegan hater too so she probably has me blocked !

I tried -

I have not read the book Proteinaholic and did not thoroughly read the studies, but after skimming through the post, I was confused why hating vegans came up when discussing a "plant-based diet" so I needed to look up what is meant by a "plant-based diet" and it turns out that is how I eat. I eat some meat but eat more "plant-based" items. A definition I found of "plant-based diet" is:

"Plant-based diets are similar but not exactly the same as vegan diets. Following a plant-based way of eating means eating more plants and plant proteins and cutting back on animal products, but maybe not entirely. Some people who follow a plant-based diet might decide to eat some meat still, and there are no restrictions about wearing or using animal products."

Anecdotally, (which is largely meaningless compared to a scientfic study) when I am flaring I need to eliminate most fruit and vegetables and whole grains to get back into remission. Then I can eat my plant-based diet again.

One of the studies Dr. Greger mentions in the last link I posted, looking at sulfur in meat and alcohol: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1774231/

Conclusions: Potentially modifiable dietary factors, such as a high meat or alcoholic beverage intake, have been identified that are associated with an increased likelihood of relapse for UC patients. Further studies are needed to determine if it is the sulphur compounds within these foods that mediates the likelihood of relapse and if reducing their intake would reduce relapse frequency.

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beave said...
^You posted a different article that references the very same case study.

The case study that was published by a pro-vegan group, authored by a psychiatrist, and published in a corrupt* journal that accepts payments in order to get something published.

*Their entire board resigned last year due to unethical behavior on the part of the publisher.

Thanks for the info beave. Sloppy posting on my part RE the repost.

I assume beave was talking about Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine and Dr. Neal Barnard. PCRM, I guess you can dismiss them as a "pro-vegan" group (as if that is a bad thing?) but they are promoting plant-based vegan diets for health reasons. He does speak out about unnecessary, cruel animal experimentation, yes. I se that as a good thing, and if you don't, that has no merit on the study Uniform Charlie posted (or all of the studies i posted that had no association whatsoever with Dr. Barnard). However, the entire reason Dr. Barnard created PCRM was because he wanted to shift the focus from reactive medicine (treating sick people) to preventative care (teaching people how to not get sick in the first place).

To address your other claim, Neal Barnard isn't currently a practicing psychiatrist. Second, there are 4 other doctors listed before his name on the study, but beave leaves them out. A quick Google search told me this: "Barnard shifted his focus in medicine from psychiatry to internal medicine. Today, he is a nutrition researcher and adjunct associate professor of medicine at George Washington University School of Medicine in Washington, D.C. He's also the author of 14 previous books on diet and health, including "Dr. Neal Barnard's Program for Reversing Diabetes" and "Breaking the Food Seduction." He was a fellow with the American College of Cardiology in 2015 and works in internal medicine at George Washington's School of Medicine.

None of that really matters though because all the studies i posted had nothing to do with Dr. Barnard.

Maybe? I would think it would take more than a few weekends, but I'm sure it wouldn't have helped anything.

Just commenting on comparisons that bloody well piss me off to no end....how are studies all or nothing and why do people believe them ? Who eats an all meat diet in general public? Why the title Proteinaholic? It's extremes that people are probably disputing more than good information with some sort of freaking balance.
Hence my comment to stick with my diet of protein at every meal....with other food as well.
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That's by choice...not by the fear of eating meat, or is it?


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I would call it balanced...lol.
Semantics?
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Beave, I still don't see your diet described as plant- based...especially considering the vibe/understanding of today's perspectives on food intake. That's just one opinion, however. Thanks for the clarification 😎

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