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Posted 6/3/2009 2:44 AM (GMT 0)
I would really like to hear anyone's experience with acid rebound.

I was put on Protonix 40 mg for gastritis. I've never had heartburn or reflux, but my dr. said that we needed to reduce the acid to let my gut heal. And it did. After 6 weeks, my dr. told me I could stop, so I did and I had horrible burning like never before after 4 days of being off so I went back on it.

After much research, I learned that what I experienced was rebound. So I went back to him and asked for 20 mg to taper down. I went down to 20 mg. for two weeks and then took that every other day for two weeks. I didn't have any problems, so I stopped 7 days ago. Today (day 7 of being off) I've had horrible acid. I threw up stomach acid three times this morning and finally took a Zantac 75 which kind of helped.

What I'm wondering is how long will this last? Any tips for getting through this. Please tell me I'm doing the right thing - I'm kind of scared right now.

Thank you so much for sharing any experience with this!
Lisa
Posted 6/3/2009 2:48 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Lisa,
Please go to the other posts and im sure you will find some helpful information.every 1 on here has had a similiar story with sum1 so im sure u will find sumthing here.
I had the nissan surgery for my gerd. I never had heartburn either but had severe complications to gerd.
good luk
B
Posted 6/3/2009 2:51 AM (GMT 0)
Thanks for your quick reply! I will definitely check out the other posts - it's nice to know I'm not alone (although it's not nice that we have to go through this).

Thanks again!
Lisa
Posted 6/3/2009 2:58 AM (GMT 0)
your welcum

Posted 6/3/2009 3:05 AM (GMT 0)
Hi Lisa,

Stopping PPI (med) can cause acid rebound - and can be very painful. PPI is a very strong med.  Lisa, you are on the right track. Taking zantac will help your stomach to get back to it normal stage. Before, when you take PPI med, your stomach shut down many acid valve, and now when you stop the PPI med, your stomach doesn't understand how much acid and it will produce more acid and it will get out of control - that is why you are in pain.

Getting off your PPI and switch to Zantac -will slowly help your stomach to get back to normal - but you should consult with your doctor for advice.

If you are taking Zantac, try add other supplement - such as  DGL Licorice (Natural - Nature's Life) and Mastic Gum 500 - take them at different time (i.e take zantac in the morning and DGL Licorice in the noon and evening).

This will help your stomach - soothe your stomach and  eventually you can stop your zantac but you still can continue with DGL Licorice  and Mastic Gum 500 for a while untile you feel comfortable to stop all together. Both Mastic Gum 500 and DGL Licorice is natural.

Hope this help you.

Marie

 

Posted 6/3/2009 3:18 AM (GMT 0)
Marie, thank you so much for the advice and encouragement. My dr. gave me the OK to go ahead and wean off (although he kind of rolled his eyes at me when I mentioned rebound in my internet research - I guess he didn't seem to think it was possible). I will continue to take the Zantac to get through the rebound, although I was really hoping to be drug free at last. I hope that getting off the Zantac will be easier.

Thanks again, I really appreciated your response!
Lisa
Posted 6/3/2009 4:11 AM (GMT 0)
Lisa,
That is great. Adding DGL Licoric and Magic gum will help your stomach to come back normally. That will definately help your stomach and slowly you can let go of zantac. Let say you take Zantac and DGL and Magic, for a few weeks and if you feel comfortable - you can slowly take zantac every other day instead of everyday, etc., and slowly get off from zantac.
When you feel comfortable, and you can get of off zantac, your stomach will not hurt because you are still taking GDL and magic gum. Those kick in and help your stomach to come back to normal. Of course, you can continue taking both DGL and Magic and when you feel comfortable, you can slowly let go of dgl, and slowly magic. Both are naturnal so they don't cause any problem.

As for me - I have bad case of gerd - I am waiting for surgery - but first I have to go thru a lot of test.
Take care, Lisa.
Marie
Posted 6/3/2009 3:12 PM (GMT 0)
Marie, thanks for your advice. I actually have some DGL my naturopathic MD gave me yesterday (I was too nervous to try it), so I took that this AM and so far I don't need the Zantac. The DGL tastes horrible, but if it works it'll be worth it. I've never heard of magic gum, is that available at a health food store?

I'm sorry your GERD is so bad. I hope that you are able to get answers from the tests and that your surgery helps. That must be scary and so frustrating.

Take care,
Lisa
Posted 6/3/2009 7:38 PM (GMT 0)
 

Hi Lisa,

Oop - I am sorry - my spelling - actually it is Mastic Gum. You can find both from amazon.com

Mastic Gum 500 - Jarrow. It will help your digestion track- system.

http://www.amazon.com/Jarrow-Formulations-Mastic-500mg-Capsules/dp/B0013OVVAK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=hpc&qid=1244056850&sr=1-2

As for DGL from Nature's Life - this one will taste very good. With other brand - it doesn't taste good.

I tried some of them - the one that I really like - is from Nature's life - it taste pretty good, actually.

Both are natural - . Be sure to drink a lot water and take multi-vitamin, etc.

Glad it help you :)

As for me, I am crossing my finger - it is scary - because I have reflux & pain constanly - so I am still waiting for test after test.

Take care, Lisa.

Marie

Posted 6/4/2009 5:53 PM (GMT 0)
Today is day 9 off of the Protonix and I think I'm over the "peak" of the rebound. I still have pain in my stomach, but it's not as bad. I've been taking the DGL and another supplement that has slippery elm and marshmellow root in. I've only had to take one Zantac a few days ago. I'm also going to see if I can find some Mastic Gum at the health food store.

I'm hoping every day will be a little better. I'm curious if others found the second week off to be any easier than the first?

Thanks again for all of the support. I really appreciate it!
Lisa
Posted 6/4/2009 7:32 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Lisa,
Good to hear you are feeling better.
Mastic Gum will definately help you with your stomach pain. It is natural so it is very safe. Hey Lisa, I also drink aloe vera juice - get it from waltmark - it is very healthy and good for digestive stomach - and you will feel the differen the next day.
Even though in my situation, I am very sever, but drinking aloe vera does help me some.

Take care.
Marie
Posted 6/14/2009 9:44 PM (GMT 0)

Lisa...Are you taking anything while weaning off right now?  Just curious, when does the stomach pain go away based off of your experience so far....Mine started in the upper abdominal area after 4 days off Nexium 40mg cold turkey..I'm right behind you on conquering the ppi's (day 10) since its sounds like we both have gone down the similar road these last few months in our short trials on ppi's...I'm taking probiotics and DGL (3x daily)... thanks!!


Post Edited (tiger06) : 6/14/2009 3:56:49 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/15/2009 4:31 AM (GMT 0)
tiger- I've been taking a supplement that has DGL, slippery elm and marshmallow. I think it has really helped. For me the stomach pain started to subside about 4 days ago (today is day 19 off). I still get a little ache here and there, especially after eating, but it's not as bad as the first two weeks off.

Some things that seem to help are:
eating frequent small meals - if I go longer than 2 hours without eating my stomach starts to hurt
drinking a lot of water between meals (nothing to drink with a meal)
taking tums here and there
chewing gum after eating a meal

You'll have to keep me updated on how you are doing! It's tough! Hang in there, and I hope you're feeling good here soon!
Lisa
Posted 6/17/2009 12:15 PM (GMT 0)
Lisa---I'm on Day 13 - in the last 2 days the stomach pain is not as bad as it has been, however, I forgot to take DGL at lunch yesterday and had a late lunch so some of the pain has come back.   So the burning pain in the upper abdominal area has flared a little.   Did you experience this at times?  Hopefully I'll round the corner on the stomach pain soon.

Lisa..how is everything going with you?

Thanks so much for your advice and updates..it's definitely given me something to strive for.

Post Edited (tiger06) : 6/17/2009 5:37:51 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/18/2009 12:13 AM (GMT 0)
Yeah, I did have times where the stomach pain would creep back in - especially if I ate something a little too daring like pizza or spaghetti. I found that tums worked best for me. For the past two days I've tried tapering the DGL, slippery elm and marshmallow supplement and my stomach is feeling a little sensitive, but nothing major.

Wierd thing the past few days - lots of gas bubbles and rumbling sounds in my lower abdomen. I wonder if the change in acid as it gets back to normal is changing or effecting the flora. I took a probiotic today and that seemed to help, so I'm guessing it's just a bacteria imbalance. Not surprised seeing as it went from practically no acid (while on protonix) to over production in the rebound and now closer to normal. I've got to think that change effects other things like the flora. Have you noticed anything like that (gas or rumbling sounds)?

Glad to hear things are going pretty well for you. Keep me updated on your progress! It's nice having someone who understands to chat with during the rebound recovery.
Lisa
Posted 6/18/2009 12:23 PM (GMT 0)
Yeah, I've had the bubbling, crackling sounds in the lower stomach after I started on probiotics a little over a week ago.   When I hit the rebound on day 4 my stomach was very bloated..and I think the probiotics helped with that.

Lisa--Whenever you had your stomach pain, was it in the upper abdomen right below the rib cage? That is where my pain (burning at times) is that hasn't gone away yet, but started day 4. I'm guessing the acid rebound may have inflamed part of the stomach and it makes me feel sick at times.

Sounds like you are making good progress if you're able to attempt tapering the DGL, etc.  I hope things are improving for you!

Post Edited (tiger06) : 6/18/2009 5:21:10 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/19/2009 12:23 PM (GMT 0)
Lisa, Just curious on how you are doing and if you've been able to quit DGL succesfully?

Post Edited (tiger06) : 6/20/2009 9:55:02 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/20/2009 9:50 PM (GMT 0)
Lisa, I hope the probiotics are working well for you ..just a little concerned since I haven't heard from you.  I'm on day 17..still trying to round the corner on the upper stomach burning pain.  Is that where yours was located before it subsided?  Also, what mg daily dosage of DGL were you taking?  I may not be taking enough. Please keep me posted on your progress..it has definitely inspired me!

Post Edited (tiger06) : 6/21/2009 6:09:44 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 6/25/2009 12:43 PM (GMT 0)
Lisa-- I'm now in day 21..the upper stomach pain has calmed..however, I do get burning pain at times in the lower abdomen (especially at night).  This might correlate with what you experienced at this point.

Posted 3/24/2014 1:42 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Tiger06 and Lisams,

If by any chance you are reading this, I would like to know if you completely recovered.

I am now in a similar situation.
I have taken dexilant for a month and a half for gastritis, and after I stopped I started taking DGL licorice for stomach pain and too much acid. I have been taking DGL licorice for three weeks, there was some progress at the beginning. But now I don't feel much progress anymore. As long as I am taking the licorice I don't have stomach pain (it comes back if I stop) but I still have too much acidity which is more or less constant. It is manageable during the day but unpleasant at night and I worry about the damage to my lower esophagus (the endoscopy showed inflammation and I feel some pain every now and then there).
I forgot to mention that I am following the low acid diet, drinking evamor water and using a wedge at night.

I wonder if I am doing the right thing and I should be patient or if I should take something to reduce the acidity to help healing.
I tried prelief but it makes me constipated, my digestion stops. And I am afraid of zantac as I read that it causes rebound too when one stops, even though not as bad as PPI. Also zantac makes me feel dizzy.
I tried Tums, they give me instant relief but then 45 minutes later I have more acid. I tried heartburn relief or something like that from gaia but it did not help, also it contains peppermint and non-DGL licorice which I did not feel so good with.

If somebody has some advice on what to do to heal completely, it would be much appreciated.

Post Edited (Ines6375) : 3/24/2014 7:51:41 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 3/25/2014 11:29 PM (GMT 0)
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Posted 3/26/2014 1:22 PM (GMT 0)
Hi, I am new to this forum. I am two-weeks post surgery for paraesophageal hernia repair. I experienced light acid reflux symptoms this morning! I thought I would never experience this again. Has anyone experienced this after their surgery?
Thanks, Nancy
Posted 6/28/2014 9:01 PM (GMT 0)
I'm on carafate by itself. I got gastritis I'm only 27 so I had to research about it because I never heard of it until now. I'm been having this problem for 2 moths now
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