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Posted 2/23/2009 8:48 PM (GMT 0)
hi everyone

i just wanted to let ya all know that out of sheer desperation at this point - i am trying the ACV (braggs) diluted water trick that has seemed to have a lot of people happier ...  iam on my 2nd day sort of -- i started last night and im drinking a little before meals today -- iam experiencing belching/indigestion/lump throat still after i eat.. and a steady feeling of stinging and heartburning of a milder sort (wondering if using a tablesp is too much?)-- no big improvements like some people have noted.  I have read it could take a little time before one sees a significant decrease in heartburn/gerd issues -- in lieu of this trial remedy i have since today stopped my prevacid ( and hopefully my zantac)

has anyone on this site tried this and what did you experience -- ?  iam hoping that my issue is too little acid -- my endoscope in nov showed food still in my stomach after i hadnt eaten in close to 20 hours ...  which leads me thinking i may have a problem with breaking food down - little acid ?   I guess we'll see... please wish me luck :(   I will keep you posted on my progress...

 

Posted 2/24/2009 9:27 PM (GMT 0)
update :

Iam really no better and no worse .. i still have hearburn same, if not a little reduction in intensity as i did with meds.. I havent been on prevacid / zantac in 2 days .. so i know the prevacid is still in my system -- i pray that the ACV helps with any rebound! counteracts it a bit at least

i still have bad indigestion - i feel like food is coming back up my throat and my abdomen feels like there is a basketball inside/ bad pressure / belching-- like i have a lot of air in there - honestly ive had that even on meds.. for awhile now

its annoying cause most people feel an immediate relief from this .. but there are tose who gradually seen progress. i hope im the one that sees improvement at least gradually


i need to somehow get the indigestion under control.. cant have that food coming up the pipe feeling - and isnt ACV supposed to remedy that?
Posted 2/25/2009 12:02 AM (GMT 0)

Saddaze,

I ordered the ACV online and tried it, I gagged on it so now I have a quart of the finest and I hope I can find another use for it. smhair

I am sure it does work for some members and I hope someone will respond to you shortly.

Hugs

Kitt

Posted 2/25/2009 7:27 AM (GMT 0)
skitt, it is actually a pretty potent house hold cleaner.

saddaze, I had tried ACV a long time ago but couldnt stomach it, but I had found a drink that contains it and also helps protect the cells lining the esophagus(at least that is what the research says), but it actually did help me come off my protonix and other meds for my colitis as well, it is called Haldi, and it tastes pretty good. I initially found it at whole foods stores while on business on the east coast, in New York and DC, but now order it online from haldi4health.com, good luck
Posted 2/25/2009 5:17 PM (GMT 0)
hi everyone - thanks for your input

Yuckygut, i will check out Haldi - cant hurt :) I can tolerate the ACV - as a kid i had penchant for pickle juice for some reason - so harsh acidic drinks are not a turn off for me . Im at day 3 - and my heartburn- comes and goes - some stinging remains - the reflux gets bad when im experiencing bad indigestion -- the pressure in my ab area and upper gi area is bad - i get a horrible tightness in my throat area / i belch a lot.. if i can figure out how to reduce this issue - id feel alot better.. im hoping that the ACV takes time to "clean out" my guts and that the heightened indigestion is partly due to my coming off drugs and the vinegar moving things about - one can hope. im not sure if my stomach is over or under acid -- im going to do the baking soda test tomorrow -- i dont want to inadvertently hurt myself by overdoing ACV during the day - but i must say, i have not had an overwhelming need to pop my prevacid nor zantac thus far .... its all about my indigestion now -- if i can get the pressure bloat down i would be a lot healthier right now..
Posted 2/25/2009 8:37 PM (GMT 0)
on the side - i have read that it is equally important to add baking soda (1/4 to 2 tbs of ACV in 8oz glass of water ) to act of a ph buffer - important to have bicarbonates to settle the vinegar and help assimiliate in the stomach - this is something I havent been doing .. im going to add Baking Soda tonight! -altho im a little nervous about ph balance n my body - i need a ph meter at some point

Post Edited (saddaze) : 2/25/2009 3:25:20 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 3/1/2009 6:33 AM (GMT 0)
saddaze, I could never stomach the ACV straight, it seemed to burn, which I thought just hurt my esophagus worse, so I do like it better in the drink form from Haldi. Not sure about the baking soda, I would think it could be kindav tough on the cells lining the esophagus as well. Again, thats why I was looking for something that would protect the esophageal lining, and I know that protonix didnt get it done for me. Let me know how the Haldi works for your GERD, it took about 10 days or so for me to see an effect.

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Posted 3/1/2009 9:53 PM (GMT 0)
hi everyone -- its been a few days since my experimentation -- and iam still experiencing heartburning issues and stuck in throat feeling -- it is not unlivable ... yet... ive been off meds a few days - i have read that rebound can attack out of nowhere ..so im prepared. i have my emergency stash of ppi and h2 blockers if need be -- i have been adding sublingual b complex every morning (rumor is that gerd and b vita probs can go hand in hand), cal mag liquid 1x morns, sea salt w/ warm water 2-3x aday ( hopefully ot help with my awful constipation that just wont quit -- i can tell you that if i can have reg BM's again - alot of my issues would subside-- i belive that gerd / heartburn is liver.. bowel related ... ) im also taking enzymedica digest gold 3x a day b4 meals, and a prebiotic/probiotic 3x a day too, 2 tbls of flax oil in Activia in the morning mixed with coco water!

im eating a lot of salads w garlic to help with digestion) coleslaw - eggs, some chicken --- i dont want my stomach to not get used to proteins and course food-- i have heard on raw diet sites that one must be careful about eliminating proteins causing other digestion issues

I hope to try HAldi - i live in NYC - so i will look around for it..


im also thinking that i could have bile reflux? anyone know of a natural remedy for bile reflux?

i keep plugging away ... hopefully all this time money and effort will pay off someday

Post Edited (saddaze) : 3/3/2009 3:17:03 PM (GMT-7)

Posted 3/3/2009 9:13 AM (GMT 0)
what is the difference between bile reflux and acid reflux?
Posted 3/3/2009 6:21 PM (GMT 0)
taken from a med site:

You're likely familiar with acid reflux — the backflow of caustic stomach acids into your esophagus, the tube that connects your throat and stomach. Less well known is bile reflux, which occurs when bile — a digestive fluid produced in the liver — flows upward from your small intestine into your stomach and esophagus.

Bile reflux often accompanies acid reflux, and together they're a formidable team, inflaming the lining of your esophagus and potentially increasing your risk of esophageal cancer. Bile reflux also affects your stomach, where it causes further inflammation.

Unlike acid reflux, bile reflux usually can't be completely controlled by changes in diet or lifestyle. Instead, bile reflux is most often managed with medications or, in severe cases, with surgery.

i was looking for natural remedies for bile reflux - and you know what I didnt find an answer - thats how sadly ignored this problem is ....

 

Posted 3/7/2009 6:49 AM (GMT 0)
does bile reflux cause an increased incidence of barrets esophagus? that was one of my biggest fears with my acid reflux.
Posted 3/8/2009 2:30 PM (GMT 0)
bile and acid create the same havoc on the esophagus ... sadly enough.
Posted 3/15/2009 1:55 PM (GMT 0)
saddaze, I had just read a study from wisconsin university, they were talking about curcumin and its protective effect on esophageal epithelial cells even in the presence of acid reflux. This might explain the benefits I have been getting from the Haldi drinks, as they contain an active form of curcumin. That may be more beneficial even than the organic apple cider vinegar they have in them.
Posted 3/15/2009 2:28 PM (GMT 0)
hi yucky gut

i purchased a couple of bottles of Haldi -- about 6 and im drinking one a day (not sure if that is enough) im doing this in conjunction of ACV and probiotics, papaya enzymes, dgl, digestive enzymes, swedish bitters.. etc. 

iam experiencing a relentless case of indigestion -- my throat and abdomen are full and tight feeling and any little thing i put in my mouth down the shoot causes bad belching!  and this is not a help to the reflux -- !! i dont know what to do about this - it seems my indigestion has worsened.. to the point i cant eat with a tight (need to belch sensation in my throat and stomach)   any ideas ??

I am a week shy of a month being off meds...  but this creepy bloat - indigestion will make me grab the prevacid

Posted 3/19/2009 7:04 AM (GMT 0)
It took me a couple of weeks before I was able to come off my protonix. I wonder if you are getting too much ACV and it is causing more problems than it is helping with? You do seem to be on numerous remedies, hopefully you can find the right combination. I have found that working in the hospital, sometimes less is better.
Posted 3/19/2009 7:05 AM (GMT 0)
saddaze, it may sound goofy, but I will actually gargle with the Haldi, and just drink it slowly, shaking intermittently because the good stuff seems to settle at the bottom after a while.
Posted 3/19/2009 3:13 PM (GMT 0)
perhaps - but i just have two 1/2 mouthfuls of bragg acv with water daily - so I dont think im overdoing it? i thought that organic ACV was alkalizing and not acidic once in the body? im going to purchase acid denfense by garden of life and a bottle of triphala - cause I hear really good things about it for digestion / indigestion / elimination

i like the taste of haldi -- but im not sure if its the remedy yet? but im a fan of haldi none the less :)

if i can control my indigestion/constipation -- my reflux will be improved thats for sure
Posted 3/21/2009 6:44 AM (GMT 0)
the straight acv always burned my esophagus(at least it felt that way), even things that are too alkaline can cause burning. I think that is where the word caustic comes in, although I may be incorrect on that.

what is triphala??
Posted 1/12/2010 2:56 AM (GMT 0)
I realize that this thread is almost a year old, but I wanted to mention something that might be useful:

Apple cider vinegar by itself is almost impossible to drink straight. Don't even try it! It's a strong irritant.

The way I've found to make it drinkable is to put about 2 tablespoons of ACV in a glass, add about 1/8 tsp. of baking soda and stir it, letting the soda neutralize the acid for about 30 seconds. Then add about 4 ounces of apple juice and stir to mix it up. Drink this down, followed with drinking something non-acidic to get the sourness out of your throat. This way, ACV should be easily tolerated by anyone. It's eliminated my reflux after 4 years of taking Protonix but still having reflux episodes. Since taking ACV in this way, I've been 100% reflux-free!

Good luck!
Posted 1/18/2010 2:52 AM (GMT 0)
how often do you drink this, RCH?  Before a meal or after?

Thanks,

Lonibel

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