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Posted 8/22/2008 3:08 AM (GMT 0)
Hey Everyone!

I also suffered from panic attacks, derealization, depression, anxiety etc Just thought i'd give you my version of what causes it and what you can do to completely overcome it. My search for answers led me to Chinese theory, and the Taoist Water Method of meditation. The chinese believe that most sickness, including both physical and mental is a result of blockages in your bodies lifeforce or 'chi'. Chi that is not free-flowing can manifest in many different forms, including physical sickness or injuries, psychological disorders, chronic fatigue, neurosis, anxiety, fixations, and many other ways.

Through chi practices such as the Taoist water method of meditation you can dissolve these energetic blockages and re-allign the energies in ur body. Check out Sarah Jane on youtube, who cured herself from Schizophrenia, depression, anxiety using the water method of meditation as well as chi practices such as Tai-chi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PvgxA48m7Y

The #1 book i would recommend would be "relaxing into your being: the taoist water method of meditation" by Bruce Frantzis.

Hope this helps, feel free to email me if you need any help..

Steve

Edit:  I have removed your email address for your own safety.  These are public forums and there is also scanning software out there.

Post your email address in your profile and members will be able to contact you . thank you for your understanding.

Kitt

Post Edited By Moderator (stkitt) : 8/22/2008 8:07:47 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/22/2008 12:30 PM (GMT 0)
Hi Steve and welcome to HW.

I'm a firm believer in most illness is created by the mind as well. I'm currently working towards getting my cert in naturopathic healing.

How long have you had panic?
Did someone teach you this theory or you were self taught?

Jen
Posted 8/22/2008 1:19 PM (GMT 0)
Has anyone tried acupuncture? I have heard so good first hand accounts for treating other conditions. I am bummed because my Insurance does not cover it though...or else i would give it a try.
Posted 8/22/2008 1:29 PM (GMT 0)
Hey Jen,

I started having panic attacks last year. However throughout highschool i'd say i was always quite a nervy person, and prone to anxiety. However i went through a particularly dark period , i experienced morbid depression, derealization, chronic anxiety etc. There was a time when i was having great difficulty even looking my own family in the eye. My mental health was really not a good state. After hearing about the extremely low success rate of psychotherapy and psychiatric drugs I went on a search to find the answers elsewhere. I tried Yoga, different types of meditation, homeopathy, energetic healers, herbal remedies but nothing was really feeling right and I certainly wasn't seeing any improvement.

Then through a recommendation i found the books "relaxing into your being" and also "the great stillness" by Bruce Frantzis, A taoist master and the only western lineage holder. I began practicing the water method of meditation daily. Basically according to this approach, all our repressed emotional trauma's are stored in the body as energetic blockages. By going deeply into your body at a very subtle level, you can connect with these blockages and dissolve and release them. Another precept, is that nothing can be solved through the mind, that is through 'thinking'. You cannot 'think' or talk your way out of the situation, because the psychological condition is just a symptom of the underlying energetic condition of your body. To the extent that your 'chi' is blocked, is the extent to which your thinking will be distorted. So to truly heal you need to get to the real source of the condition.

This is a basic explanation, and i'm still very much a learner. But since starting on this path I have had many profound experiences, and after 6 months of practicing every day i'm almost 100%. Check out Sarah Jane on youtube. She fully recovered from Schizophrenia after practicing this method of meditation daily for over 2 years.

If you like to read more theory on this, "the chi revolution" is a good one, and also "opening the energy gates of the body" both by bruce frantzis.

regards,

Steve, Australia

Steve, Please review HW rules and guideline.

Post Edited By Moderator (stkitt) : 8/22/2008 8:17:21 AM (GMT-6)

Posted 8/22/2008 1:43 PM (GMT 0)
Hey Badgen1,

I have used acupuncture a few times, and i have had positive experiences with it. Like Traditional Chinese Medicine, it can get quite expensive. I think it really all depends on who you go too. There are some very skilled practitioners out there, but there is also the other end of the spectrum. There is no doubt that it is an extremely effective healing art, but it really all depends on who you go too. I think combined with other chi practices like meditation, and internal arts (qigong, tai chi etc) could be very beneficial.

Steve
Posted 8/22/2008 1:53 PM (GMT 0)
Steve, this is wonderful insight.
I'm a believer in natural healing as well.  I know the body can heal itself if we just feed the subconscious the right info.

I'm going to check out those books and the youtube video.

very interesting, thanks for sharing :-)

Jen
Posted 8/22/2008 1:56 PM (GMT 0)
I can't locate the Sarah Jane video?
Posted 8/22/2008 2:28 PM (GMT 0)

stephen84

Good Morning and welcome to HW.  I am very happy for you that you have found a path to dealing with your anxiety and I personally thank you  for  sharing with the members.

I would like to remind all of our Guideline # 4,  NEVER rely on information or opinions exchanged via the forums or chat rooms to replace necessary, personal consultation(s) with qualified health or medical professionals to meet your individual health or medical needs.  Remember that what's right or has worked for one person may not be what's right for you. 

I have had anxiety/depression for 26 years and I have used therapy and meds and done well.  However I believe the alternative methods are also beneficial and work extremely well for others.

When it comes to mental health I keep an open mind on all treatment modalities as well as alternative medicine.

I am sure your sharing will be of help to the members as another alternative to consider.

Again a warm welcome to HealingWell.

Kitt



 

Posted 8/22/2008 2:42 PM (GMT 0)
Hey Jen,

Yeah I believe the body is always trying to come back to it's natural balance.

Try this link for the video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PvgxA48m7Y

She has a long series of videos which u will find there, on many different aspects of meditation and mental health recovery. I've watched a fair few of her videos, and I definetly agree with a lot of her points on mental health recovery.

Steve
Posted 8/23/2008 3:47 PM (GMT 0)
Stephen,

What would you recommend for a good book on Tai chi?
I ordered one and it is Tai Ji. I was a little disappointed in it. So your input would really be appreciated. This book does give some thechniques, but it isn't what I thought it would be. Though I will keep trying. I meditate daily and it has helped with depression and anxiety.

Thanks,

Karen...
Posted 8/24/2008 2:00 AM (GMT 0)
Hey karen!

Thanks for the post. If you want to learn tai-chi, i wouldn't recommend doing it from a book. Tai-chi has extremely complex movements, and often many movements in the series. So if you want to learn tai-chi i'd say maybe you should attend classes as well as ur private study. Chi-gung (i.e. Qigong, Chi-kung) however has simpler movements, and can be learnt quite easily, and also has all the benefits of tai-chi.

I highly recommend the book "opening the energy gates of the body" by Bruce Frantzis. That book is very detailed, and has 3 basic chi-gung forms which are very easy to learn. He'll give you a very simple movement/body allignment and then he'll tell you to practice that one little thing for up to a week, and then add on another simple movement. He also gives information of 'inner dissolving' and meditation practices which take some time to master, but are wonderful. You can also buy an accompanying dvd from his website for like $20, where he walks you through all of the stuff in the book. So that would be my recommendation if you want to establish a basic home practice. Study this book closely and i garauntee you will learn A LOT. Bruce Frantzis' books on water method meditation are also invaluable.

Glad to hear your meditation is helping! Feel free to keep in touch in future if you want to discuss any of this stuff.

Best,

Steve
Posted 8/24/2008 1:02 PM (GMT 0)

Steve,

What do you recommend for the retired person to try?  I  have a herniated disc and I have to be careful about what I do as far as activities...............

Thanks

Kitt

Posted 8/24/2008 3:09 PM (GMT 0)
Hey Kitt,

I'm not sure how serious your injury is...the chi gung movements found in that book are quite simple and don't involve a great deal of movement, but they do involve rotation from the hips, as well as arm movements.

But otherwise i would recommend the dissolving practices, found in the books i recommended. Those practices can be done in sitting, standing or lying down positions. They are helpful for relieving both physical and emotional stress. Actually, the author of the books had a massive spinal injury after a car accident, and thats one of the reasons why he began taking chi practices so seriously. Took him many years to recovery and to heal his chronic back pain. If you want to learn more about that, he talks about it in the book "the chi revolution".

One thing he says though is that age is irrelevant in regards to chi practices...no matter how old you are you can improve on your current energy level and continue improving.

Steve
Posted 8/24/2008 3:25 PM (GMT 0)

Thank you Steve for the quick reply, I have a weight limitation as well as some other limitations regarding the herniation but I will look into the book you recommended.

I know how much the mind plays a role in how we deal with our issues and have gone through some  self hyponosis with my therapist years ago that I still practice.  I try very hard to stay in the moment and not let the anxiety take over and most of the time do quite well.

But I am always open to learning new ways to deal with stress.

Kitt

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