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Posted 7/29/2019 12:53 AM (GMT 0)
Around 6 months ago, my friend was having an anxiety attack and said he was having *S* thoughts but had no idea why. He didn't want to hurt himself during that moment, but the intrusive thoughts came.

Recently, I had an anxiety/panic attack as well and those intrusive thoughts came as well. It's scary and intrusive and I know it's not a representation of me or anything that I want.

I can be anxiety attack free and happy for a year, but the minute an attack happens those dark thoughts enter the mind.

Is there a connection between having an attack and having those accompanying thoughts? I give myself a hard time the next day and start obsessing about why those intrusive thoughts happened and then I can't stop obsessing about it. It's definitely scary. I do understand what my friend went through now.

Post Edited By Moderator (Scaredy Cat) : 7/29/2019 7:54:02 PM (GMT-6)

Posted 7/29/2019 2:39 AM (GMT 0)
And to clarify more...maybe it's not ideation.

I'm not thinking of doing it or ways of doing it during those intense moments of anxiety.

Maybe what I'm describing is the feeling of dread? That something bad is going to happen and I can't stop it or control what's going on. And I get this fear that the anxiety will cause me to do something to myself, but I know it's just that moment of anxiety causing those thoughts.

It's really hard to explain.
Posted 7/29/2019 1:58 PM (GMT 0)
I would suggest seeing a Mental Health Professional as soon as possible, the thoughts you are having should not be taken lightly or dismissed.

Have you started any new medications? It is possible for medications (Psychiatric and non-Psychiatric medications) to cause medication induced S thoughts. In this case a person doesn't feel S but the thoughts are there. Again, seek professional help as soon as possible.

I have had S thoughts due to medications and I will say it's a very weird feeling as I wasn't S or depressed. No. There is no connection between anxiety/panic attacks and S thoughts.

take care
Posted 7/29/2019 3:43 PM (GMT 0)
I think what you are feeling is more of a feeling of dread like you said. I have anxiety and it makes me feel shaky, nervous, scared and not wanting to leave the house. But I have had the feeling of dread too. It is hard to explain. Kind of like I didn't belong on this earth. Things seemed strange. But there were no S thoughts.

I hope you get to feeling better soon tpatrick30. Anxiety stinks...

Hugs, Karen...
Posted 7/29/2019 5:32 PM (GMT 0)
If you're feeling happy, you're probably thinking that the present as well as your future looks good.

If you're feeling dreadful, very nervous, and panicky, then maybe you're thinking that not only is the present bad, but your future looks bad too (not to say that your future actually looks bad).

Maybe that's why you feel suicidal only when you're feeling dread and panicky, TPatrick30.

It's just my theory.
Posted 7/29/2019 8:05 PM (GMT 0)

MainerMikeBrown said...
If you're feeling happy, you're probably thinking that the present as well as your future looks good.

If you're feeling dreadful, very nervous, and panicky, then maybe you're thinking that not only is the present bad, but your future looks bad too (not to say that your future actually looks bad).

Maybe that's why you feel suicidal only when you're feeling dread and panicky, TPatrick30.

It's just my theory.

Exactly. So basically I can be happy and feel fine 364 days of the year and not have any of those thoughts, but the minute I have that anxiety attack the feeling of dread and those weird thoughts come.

To me it’s just your mind not wanting to be in the situation at that time leading to weird intrusive thoughts.

Then I’m happy and fine for several months without those thoughts and the little anxiety that comes from time to time is easy to manage. Then a bad one hits and in that moment those weird feelings come.

The hardest part IMO is feeling guilty about it for the next week or so and obsessing why I thought like that in that moment.

That’s why I added the post that I don’t think of ways to do it, I just feel like I could be stuck in that moment of panic forever and that dread sets in.
Posted 7/30/2019 2:02 AM (GMT 0)
TP,

I do echo the above advice that if you (and your friend should to the same) continue to have these thoughts, that you do make your doctor/mental health professional know. This is just safe and due diligence so that neither of you gets into a more serious situation.

That said, it does sound like what *you* describe (I can't say about your friend) could likely be part of an acute anxiety/OCD thought process. Your thoughts become intrusive with fear and dread of being trapped in the panic moment. It feels like you can't escape it and therefore the mind goes places...

This doesn't mean you will act on it, but of course it is scary and lets you know just how challenging your anxiety is ATM.

If you are not already going to therapy sessions at this time, it would be worth looking into this possibility to help you get to where you need your management to be.

We are here for you...keep posting and we'll keep up the support!

S.C.
Posted 8/17/2019 3:55 PM (GMT 0)

Scaredy Cat said...
TP,

I do echo the above advice that if you (and your friend should to the same) continue to have these thoughts, that you do make your doctor/mental health professional know. This is just safe and due diligence so that neither of you gets into a more serious situation.

That said, it does sound like what *you* describe (I can't say about your friend) could likely be part of an acute anxiety/OCD thought process. Your thoughts become intrusive with fear and dread of being trapped in the panic moment. It feels like you can't escape it and therefore the mind goes places...

This doesn't mean you will act on it, but of course it is scary and lets you know just how challenging your anxiety is ATM.

If you are not already going to therapy sessions at this time, it would be worth looking into this possibility to help you get to where you need your management to be.

We are here for you...keep posting and we'll keep up the support!

S.C.

Thank you so much. I had a really good 7-8 days, but got really down last night. When I get sad it causes anxiety and this thought again of being hopeless. Usually does not last long unless I obsess about it. I get this irrational thought that my anxiety can control my choices, but I know that’s not true. Still makes the anxiety worse though.

Any quick techniques you guys use to get yourself through these rough moments? Don’t want to feel or think this way!
Posted 8/18/2019 3:32 AM (GMT 0)
These Therapy Worksheets are helpful in combating negative/intrusive thoughts. The STOP exercise in particular is a good one to start with.

It may take some time and practice, but keep up the practice daily and you will start to se a positive change with continued efforts!

And as always, if the intrusive thoughts turn to self harm, seek immediate medical/mental health help immediately.

S.C.
Posted 8/18/2019 4:38 AM (GMT 0)
Seems like a depressive element with the anxiety. The thoughts are attributed to the mix....it seems...and yes depression is a common element with anxiety.

Sometimes our thoughts go into stinkin' thinkin. Best techniques are distraction...to distract from the panic anxiety and subsequent depression. Music is mine.

Keep strong. HT
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