I didn't know which section of the forum to post this in, but I have Lyme disease so I thought this was best. I am hoping someone here can help me out with an issue that I'm having. It has me a bit...
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-Traveler Thanks so much for your thoughts....
-1000 Daisies From my understanding IgMs are produced when an infection is brand new to the immune system. After the immune system has a memory of the the infection it makes IgGs. So if it's an...
-Traveler I believe I have a suppressed immune system also. Do you know of any tests that can do a good job at checking immune system function? If you make enough antibodies to test high for things...
-aerose91 That's good to hear. Is that a LLMD? It seems that many regular doctors have the misconception that elevated IgGs= old, inactive infection And that IgMs= active infection. When one doctor...
-Traveler I'm probably going to start treating it myself soon and will definitely look into lysine, it's good to hear it's helping you. I'm just stubborn and want a doctor to admit that elevated IgGs...
Yeah active EBV does terrible things like stopping the normal process of apoptosis. Apoptosis is a process by which infected cells self destruct so that we only have healthy, functional immune cells....
-Girlie Thanks, that table is helpful and confirms what I was thinking. I'm not the only one who has been told by their doctor that elevated IgG only signifies past, inactive infection if IgMs are...
I have extremely elevated IgG to EBV, yet doctors say it's only a past infection because my IgMs are normal. Why are they looking for IgMs for reactivated infections? If it's an old infection that's...
Girlie As far as I know EBV wouldn't show IgMs for older infection, even if it has reactivated, because the immune system is already familiar with it. That's why I'm wondering why doctors look for...
I'm trying to understand why elevated IgGs don't matter and why they look for IgMs to confirm reactivated infections such as EBV, etc....
- traveler I'm not asking about borrelia or other pathogens that have antigen variation. These infections constantly change their antigen presentation so they're always appearing new to the immune...
Anybody out there have a good understanding on what kind of antibodies are made when an old infection is reactivated? The immune system wouldn't make IgMs because it's not the first time the immune...
I hope I'm explaining what I'm trying to say well, it's kind of difficult. I was IgM positive too, definitely not a new infection. But if I understand correctly Lyme is different in the prolonged...
-Girlie I've read that the reason elevated IgMs reappear in some infections is because of antigen variation, when the pathogens antigen, that tells the immune system what it is, changes slightly...
Would the immune system produce IgG or IgM antibodies to reactivated infections? Am I understanding correctly that IgM antibodies are produced when an infection (antigen) is brand new, and has never...
-PeppermintTea Will do. The doctor has good reviews and seems genuine. I just haven't seen enough published research or success stories to be confident in the protocol....
https://youtu.be/jAYstUm1NI8 Video is only 8:43 long. I will be seeing this doctor tomorrow. Has anyone out there seen her or have experience with this method of treatment? She follows the same...
Light blue/green eyes here....
I've been going down the rabbit whole for weeks trying to find the answer to this question. I came across this doctor on YouTube. His channel has a ton of very informative short videos on this topic....
So in the case of the endotoxins that are really just parts of the dead bacteria that our immune systems are having a reaction to, are these removed from the body in the same manner as in the more...
Thanks everyone for all of the replies. Lapis_29- it's awesome that you guys are trying out something new. I hope it continues to go well and I'll keep up with your progress....
I've heard so much about how we get herx reactions from toxins that are given off when borrelia is killed. Also have read about many herbs and supplements to detox and remove these toxins from our...
I saw Dr W there, the younger doctor. He was very nice but it seemed like he just knew the basics of Lyme disease; when it started to ask questions he didn't know very much in depth information. I...
It's funny to see that more and more people understand that mechanism of immune system attacking non-dangerous entities (dormant pathogens seen as Antigens). That was the big issue with chronic...
Thanks for all the information. I will definitely read through it. So a lot of bacteria change forms. I was under the impression that borrelia was kind of unique in this way, but I guess not. I...
Psilociraptor - Ok, it's starting to make more sense. So in certain infections both active and dormant forms can cause immune responses. Do you know if EBV and the common co-infections have this...
I think I'm confused about terminology. I thought the bacteria itself are antigens since they induce an immune response? You all are saying the infection can be dormant and still express antigens...
So there's a lot of evidence now that infections trigger autoimmune diseases though a few different mechanisms. I guess what I'm wondering is; do infections still have this ability when they are...
So if you're testing showed high IgGs for let's say EBV but normal IgMs, this would signify a dormant infection. So if it's not actively under attack by the immune system would the inflammatory...
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=30&m=3920915 Here's a thread that has some information you might be interested in. It isn't an answer to your question directly but has lots of...
Looking for more information about dormant infections. I understand that this is when an infection is considered not active and that it's not causing symptoms. But is the pathogen in a state of sleep...
- psilociraptor I know reversing everything that humans have done and still do that contribute to this problem may not be realistic. And I understand you're talking about the big picture. All I...
- astroman You're right that a lot of these illnesses we're dealing have been killing people for a long time. But just based on the amount of people I know personally who suffer from similar...
- astroman I'm 24, started getting sick at 13. I know so many people my age who are sick with the same symptoms as me, they all just have different labels for there symptoms. My entire family are...
Another thing, I don't personally at this moment believe it but honestly I don't blame the people who have more conspiracy type ideas, like biological warfare. I think it's pretty evident that what...
What do you mean exactly by "It will correct itself"? Like our bodies will evolve enough to overcome it. Or eventually our modern society will get so big and chaotic that it will break down and then...
- psilociraptor Everything you're saying makes a lot of since. Do you think that this "epidemic" is caused a perfect storm? Big population, faster spreading reviews, over sterilization, poor diet,...
I think that anyone paying attention can see that there is an epidemic of "chronic diseases", many with overlapping symptoms. I'm now on board with the idea that most of them have a common root...
- psilociraptor I just read your most recent post. I agree with you that it's the infections causing the autoimmunity. Now I want to know what's causing the infections lol....
Or is it more likely that due to environmental issues (nutrient lacking diet, stress, etc) our gut health becomes poor? And that this has a devastating affect on our immune system. Which in turn...
- astroman About the gut bacteria; that's a good question, here are two very interesting articles about this subject....
- psilociraptor So you don't buy into the idea that the autoimmune immune diseases come first? I've read in many articles and have heard doctors say that autoimmune diseases make us more susceptible...
-psilociraptor Wow, thanks for breaking that down. So in a person who has both infections and autoimmune diseases would it be your opinion that if the infection aspect was dealt with then...
This article talks about how infections can cause autoimmune diseases through many different mechanisms, including molecular mimicry, I'm not yet familiar with the other mechanisms. It has a section...
-mcspike I'm starting to agree that the people who are anti vaccines might be on to something, but don't know enough about it to really make an opinion. I'll check out that book....
- astroman There are autoimmune diseases that have been proven to be triggered by infections through molecular mimicry. PANDAS and rheumatic fever are two that I know of off the top of my head but...
- mpost, the doctors in the videos say they suppress the immune system naturally. They claim to have testimonials on there website but I haven't looked. They did have a recent video where they had an...
- gfields Interesting to hear steroids brought you relief. This is where I get confused, steroids suppress the immune system, you would think that if Lyme is already suppressing our immune system...